Episode #150 - Leaving Messages Sharing What We Have Learned: An Interview With Tammy Cohen

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode

number 150 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today, we have Tammy Cohen, and Tammy

has been partnering with top tier

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corporate executives and entrepreneurs

to develop personal and professional

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brands for more than 20 years.

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Today, she understands her role as a

connector, and sees opportunities for

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women to thrive and grow exponentially.

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She founded Woman Beyond the Table,

which is a business network with a soul.

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Tammy also launched the Beyond

The Table podcast, leveraging her

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ability to connect with audiences by

sharing her guest's story and wisdom.

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In her consulting work, Tammy connects

her clients to their mission, vision,

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and core value statements, and utilizes

her networks to develop brands.

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She is a frequent podcast guest and

speaker on topics ranging from branding

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to leadership, and when she's not

helping brands or women stand out,

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Tammy lives in Manhattan, New York, with

her husband and three sons, and owns

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18 Restaurant on the Upper East Side.

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Text Messages To My Sons is Tammy's first

book where she connects deeply with her

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family in a world of devices, and I really

love this episode for so many reasons.

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Tammy really digs into some of the ideas

of working on ourselves, how we can

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expand our networks as a whole, because

let's face it, in this ever changing

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world, we have to be able to build those

relationships which really align with what

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I even do, and she brings some valuable

insight, but she deep dives into things

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that really helps us to understand that,

even as a business owner, or even in

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our own personal lives, being able to

understand how we can connect with each

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other, even our own children, which we

talk about in today's episode, might

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not be as surprising as you might think.

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Finding ways in which we can leave a

lasting impression in the 21st century

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is something that even with the book that

she wrote, she talks about how we can

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be accountable, even in a text message

format, of ways in which we spread

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love, light, and inspiration, but hey!

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Even if you don't take my word for it,

try it out for yourself, because once

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you hear Tammy's insight about what

she's been through, I think you're

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going to have a whole different type of

appreciation as to why, oh why, you can

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even start some of the things that she's

been doing for a very long time today.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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Alright, we're here with Tammy Cohen.

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Tammy!

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Thanks for sharing your

heart with us today.

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Tammy: Wow.

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I love that.

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I love the idea of sharing my heart.

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My heart is full, Josh.

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So excited to be here.

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Joshua: I love that my guests are full

of a lot of great knowledge, subject

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areas, and even their stories, but I love

the fact that you're full of just this

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awesomeness that you have inside of you.

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I'm really excited to talk to you

today about some of your backstory,

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so Tammy, I really want to focus a lot

more in our conversation, which for

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my listeners, might be a little bit

different from some of my other styles of

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guests, about some of your professional

accomplishments, because I think it's a

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really interesting story that you have

as it relates to not just those things,

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but also the book that you have written,

which I want to spend some time talking

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about today too, so I just want to set

that up for our listeners just so that

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they're not thrown off, but Tammy, I

already let them know a little bit about

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your background, but I want to talk

about your business right off the bat.

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It's called Women Beyond the Table.

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I wonder if you could tell us a little

bit about why you got started with it.

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What got you involved with it?

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What do you actually

do with your business?

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Tammy: Well, it's really interesting.

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That's a great question, Josh.

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Let's backtrack a little bit.

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One of the businesses that

I have is brand messaging.

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I work in the gem and jewelry space as

a brand messaging consultant, and when I

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was traveling a lot, it was very involved

with work, and when the pandemic hit and

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there was a shutdown, I kind of realized,

"Oh, like, what am I going to do with

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myself?", and then I realized, "Oh.

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I have a minute to think.

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I'm really not that happy with myself,

and I have a lot of things I need to

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figure out and work on.", because I was

so busy, I didn't have time to think,

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but now I had a lot of time to think.

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This is also the time that,

with Women Beyond The Table came

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into play and started the book.

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It was kind of very simultaneous, so what

happened was I was thinking, "I am working

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with one client who has all of my time."

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Yes, it's very exciting.

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Yes, they're global, and I'm doing

well with them, but the pandemic hit,

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and everything stopped, and so did my

income, and I realized I can't have

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all my eggs in one basket, and I had

to figure out how to navigate and I had

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to figure out, "What am I going to do?"

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When I started putting this

all together, I was, "Oh.

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I need a business coach.

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I need this.

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I need so many things.", because

I've kind of had been out of the

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industry, working with other people.

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I was always with one client, so Josh,

what I did was I started getting out there

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and thinking about what do I need to do

to expand my business and to be viable.

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As I was doing that, I

was looking on websites.

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I mean, I was always a good networker.

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I was always a good connector.

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I always knew people, but sometimes

there's very specific skill sets

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that you need when you want to

expand your business, when you want

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to understand technology, when you

don't know how to work on automation.

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There's a lot of these platforms out

there that are amazing, but I'm of a

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certain age group that it just is very

daunting, so I said to him, "Wouldn't it

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be nice?", because I was Googling away.

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I was clicking on things, and to get a

download, you have to give your email,

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and then the minute you give your email,

you get 3,000 email automations for the

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rest of your life; basically one every

day asking you to buy their services,

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or bothering you with something, and

you're just like, "I don't care.", so

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I said, How would it be if there was

like a network of women, of people I,

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could trust that could give me advice,

that could answer questions, that can

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connect me to somebody who is trustworthy

to provide a service, or that they

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have the service that can help me out

to further my goals?', so that's how

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Women Beyond the Table came about.

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What happened was I went to five

colleagues and I was like, "Listen.

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I have an idea.

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What do you think?"

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I said.

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They go, "Ooh.

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It's a good idea.

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That's a good idea.

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You should do that."

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Okay, so, yes, I have an MBA.

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Okay.

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I got it in 1992.

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It's very traditional MBA.

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I had no idea.

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There's no course work.

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How do you start a

global business network?

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I said, "Well, I'm going to have a call."

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I'm going to say, "I'm going to

call on Zoom, and would you attend?"

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They're like, "Yeah.

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Sure, like we're your friend.

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We'll attend."

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"Okay.", so that's how it

started in January: 2021

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I made a little agenda, and I sent it to

five people, and it just kind of started

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taking on a life of its own, and now here

we are in: 2024

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pike, we're doing things, and we have

a website, and we have social media.

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We have an advisory board, and we have

members from all around the world, so

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it's really, really exciting, and that's

basically where we're at right now.

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It's an LLC.

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It didn't start that way, and I didn't

even think I could pass the first

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year, tell you the truth, but, it

took on a life of its own, and that's

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because the women who are attracted

to this group, or part of this group,

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are really kind, good natured, smart,

women business owners, really just

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want to support and help each other.

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They're nonjudgmental.

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They're noncompetitive.

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We call ourselves a business

network with a soul, and I think

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that's what people relate to.

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They relate to making friends, having

connections, having people they can trust,

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having people that aren't judging them,

a safe space, and I think that's what

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kind of missing in the business realm.

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We're not C suite women.

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We're not the whole corporate thing.

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We're really very much women who are

achieving things, and they're the

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one woman show, or they have small

businesses, or they've made it to a

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certain point, but it's work, and they're

at it every day, so that's who we are.

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Joshua: I was going to ask you if the

networks consisted of different types

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of people in terms of not only their

personality, but if they feed into an

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overall mission, but you answered all

those great things, because I find

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that I want to be attracted also to

certain people as well, being a coach

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myself, wanting to help expand that

network, being able to associate with

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like minded people that are feeding

into the same mission, vision, values,

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that I even have for that matter.

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Was there an idea, maybe that catapulted

this in the first place in terms of

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that need, because I know for some

people, trying to find a niche as to

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how you can penetrate into a market,

or even trying to find that voice,

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kind of like what I've have worked

with a variety of different people.

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Sometimes it means trying to figure

out where is there a need, or a gap.

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Did you have to do that kind of

starting out, and if so, maybe you

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can walk us through at a high level.

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How can people find stuff like that

themselves, where maybe they can

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find a niche to help in their sort of

respective area, or field of their choice?

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Tammy: That's interesting because

I always look at it from- I work

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in brand messaging, so I was

looking at it from, All right.

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Who are you?

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First of all, what is your story?

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What's your deep dive?"

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I have a sheet, a deep dive that I do.

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It's a discovery thing, and

where you have to really think,

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like why do I do what I do?

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Why am I in this business?

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What do I love about my business?

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What do I love about my process?

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What do I love about my customers?

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You go through all these different

things; the why ladder almost.

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Why am I here?

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What is this about?

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What lights me up?

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Does this light me up?

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That's the first thing you have to ask

yourself, and then, I also take it one

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step further, because you have a service.

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You have a product, so you have

an audience that you want to

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buy those services/products,

so you have to do the research.

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You have to figure out my ideal client.

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We have women in the group, actually.

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There's one of the women

who's a marketing expert.

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She's amazing, and she's been teaching

us about creating the ideal client

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persona, and creating an avatar

of your dream client that you want

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to attract, but also understanding

that women: where the hanging out?

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What are the pain points?

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What are their needs?

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What are they looking for?

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What would make their lives easier?

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What can you offer?

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What is the benefit you're going

to provide to that ideal client

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that they're searching for?

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You have to know, in your ideal client

persona, you actually outline and you

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look at who they are, what they're about.

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This is the person you want to bring

in, but what are their needs, and

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that's really what it's all about.

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I think in business, it's about

providing value, and bringing benefit,

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and understanding what your target

audience is not getting, and learning

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what they're not getting, and what their

pain points are, and going in there

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and saying, "I can help you with that."

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"I can help you with that.", but you have

to have some authority, and you have to

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be able to build trust, and I'm really

leery, and the first thing I always say

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to people is, "Never pitch anybody."

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Never try to sell anybody.

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Have a conversation.", because anybody

you want to bring in as a client,

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like if you were meeting somebody

for the first time at a cocktail

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party, you're going to be like, "Hi!

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I'm Tammy Cohen.

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I do this.

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I do that.

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These are my clients."

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"I've won this award, and

do you want my services?"

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They would look at you like, "What?",

If you're at a wedding, okay.

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It's the same thing.

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Build and have a conversation, and

figure out where they're hanging

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out, and then meet them that way,

and comment on their social media

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platforms, and be engaging with them,

and they'll get to know you that way.

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It's so interesting to me, because

I really was never much into posting

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myself, but I was more into looking

at the people that I admire that I

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would love to work with, and going

on to their sites and commenting on

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what they're doing, and you know what?

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The ones who always looking at

their comments, and answering,

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and they get to know you that way.

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You build up a little bit of

a relationship, and then it's

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like, "Let's have a coffee."

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"Oh!

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You're going to be at that conference?

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Let's meet up."

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There's a lot of ways to go about

it, but I think it's about being

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transparent, being a human being.

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Figuring out how you're going to

serve, not who's going to serve you.

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Joshua: I love that.

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I was chuckling to myself as you

saw as I was doing this, and I know

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that for my listeners, you only are

hearing the audio, but I was literally

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chuckling, because every single thing

you said, I've seen other people do.

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They're running up, getting up to

someone's face, being like, "Here's

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my business!", and vomiting all this

information that they never even asked.

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They never were approached

to be asked about.

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I mean, I tell people have an elevator

speech ready, but that doesn't give you

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credence to go up to somebody when they

didn't ask for it to just share all these

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things because we are not ready for that.

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We don't want to hear what you have

to say until we get to that point.

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Maybe we already have somebody already

doing that for us like you said, so

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I find that all fascinating to me,

because it's just about being not just

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persistent, which, yeah, there's a

level of what persistence, and I use

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air quotes on that, how much level you

get into when it comes to that, but even

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from myself being that I just started in

the last year and a half or so, I don't

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want to be somebody that is like, "Oh!

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I'm an authority and all this.",

when I know that there's people

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20, 30 years already doing this.

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I know where my lane is and I will

build up to that, so you share

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some valuable points with that, so

listeners, if you weren't paying

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attention to that, you should.

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Tammy was just throwing

some truth bombs there.

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Tammy: I think what you said is

really excellent, Josh, because

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knowing your lane is important.

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I'm not saying, "Oh, you have to stick

that way and you can't deviate.",

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because you know how the road is, right?

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Tammy: Our life is a road, and there's

a lot of turn offs and things that

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happen, but when you understand your

lane, where your strengths are, and

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what you're good at, you can dominate

that lane pretty easily, because

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you're synergistic of where you're

supposed to be at today, at this time.

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I don't think about the future.

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I mean, why bother?

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Just do it now.

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Do whatever you need to do right now.

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That's it.

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Joshua: I think of it, and I've shared

this with even some clients of mine too

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is about scalability, so you might be

at this today, and I'm like at a lower

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level, but I might be at a higher level

down the road, because of what I'm

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building myself up to, so being able to

know when you're ready to do that, always

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growing, always being able to expand

at that time, so that's why I resonate

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with it, because I know my lane right

now, but that lane, I'm going to take

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a left turn and be in the left lane at

some point, and even further left lane.

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Yeah.

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Tammy: And you know what?

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Just because that road has some

potholes, and is a little bit gnarly,

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doesn't mean you jump off of it either.

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That's the beauty of it, right?

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You're going to have challenges.

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It doesn't mean you're wrong.

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It just means that you

have to figure it out.

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There's a lesson that God wants you to

figure it out, and you have to learn

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it, because you'll get to the next level

once you've learned that lesson, and

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there's a reason you have to know it.

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Joshua: Perfect segue into your book.

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I love the title of this, so I will

have this in the episode notes, but

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I got to read this out, Tammy, so

Text Messages To My Sons: Connecting

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Deeply In A World of Devices, and

when I read it, I thought, "I really,

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really, really, really hated my phone."

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at a moment of time where I thought,

"I don't know why I keep this.",

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but then I read this title of this

book and I thinking, "You know what?

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This device is so powerful.", but I know

that the title might be a lot more than

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what's on the surface, so you talked

a little bit about that development

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of yourself and that ties so well

into this so I'm going to let you talk

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a little bit about the book and why

you wrote it, but what do people get

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out of that book if they pick it up?

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Tammy: Okay, so I never had any

intention of writing a book.

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I didn't do any of these text

messages to my kids, my three sons.

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I never thought about a book.

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What happened was, during the pandemic,

once again, the shutdown, and I was

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going through this learning phase,

this personal, growth development.

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I was in it.

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I was really in it, and the

coaches, and the Mindvalley and Tony

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Robbins and Jay Shetty, and I was

on Life Block, and Joe Dispenza.

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I just was going on and on and

on because like you said, right?

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There's people who've been 30 years

learning and researching things

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and coming up with amazing ideas.

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You can read their books, and get

what took them 30 years to figure out.

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You can get that in a

book, so I was reading.

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I was in quantum physics.

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I still am.

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I was all over the place, and I

said, "You know what?", I said.

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"I want to reach my kids where they're at.

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Not where I'm at."

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Where I'm at, I like having

in person conversations, Josh.

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I like picking up the phone.

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I like having a conversation.

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I'm a connector like that, but that's

not where a lot of people are today.

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They're on their devices, and you go out

to dinner, you sit at a table with people,

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and they're all looking at their phone.

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You can go to sporting events, you

know, people looking at their phones,

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so that's where they're at, so you

have to reach them that way, and I

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never thought for a minute that I

expected anything back from my kids.

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I didn't expect them to reply and say,

"I love you, Mom.", or, "You're amazing."

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No.

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I just said, I want to send

them this; this is my main goal.

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Every day.

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Five days a week, not on weekends,

I send them a message with love.

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How much I love them.

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How important they are.

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How worthy they are.

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I provide inspiration, something that

is really inspirational, but I was

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sharing knowledge, because I was so

excited about what I was learning, I

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wanted to share it with them, because

I'm a human being, and I need- I

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grow and I'm learning this stuff.

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It's really cool.

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I think you should know it exists; know

it's a possibility, and I was sharing

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quotes, and I was asking them what

they think, and what my insight was on

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something, but it was also able to be

accountable to them in these messages,

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and admit how many times I was unhappy,

and I might've done something to them, or

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said something to them, or acted a certain

way, and they, as a child, think they did

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something, and they didn't do anything.

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It was just me.

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It was me where my head was, and they

started to see me as a person, and

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I really was being accountable, and

I was trying to explain sometimes,

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because it hurts me like when you

not nice to your kid, or when you're

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screaming, or you're out of control,

because you are out of control.

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It has nothing to do with them.

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They're not the trigger.

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You're just not okay, and I

went through many years of that.

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Listen, we all have our origin story

of how we grew up and what we bring

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along with us, and the baggage, and

the behaviors, and things like that,

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so I want to be more cognizant of it,

and what happened was I got into this

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rhythm with them and I did it every day.

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You know what?

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I just committed to doing it,

and I'm still doing it, even

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though the book came out.

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What happened was I was just telling

colleagues and friends and people

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I know, like, "This is what I do.

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This is what I'm doing.", and

they were like, "Oh my God!

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That's amazing!

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You should put that in a book.

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Why don't you put that in a

book?", and I was just like, "What?

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What do you mean put it in a book?

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I don't know how to write a book.

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: 00:19:22

What do you mean write a book?", so,

what happened was enough people started

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saying it, and I was like, "You know what?

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I should look into this.", and that's

how Text Messages To My Sons: Connecting

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People In The World of Devices, and

what was really amazing to me is not

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only did my kids get involved with

this process of getting this book

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out there, they wrote the forward.

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They wrote the foreword of what it

means to them to get these messages,

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because they know they're loved.

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They know that regardless of what

somebody gives a shit, somebody cares.

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Somebody thinks they're all that, and

that I'm sharing interesting things.

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Now the book, itself, is written

in 10 chapters: mindfulness

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and gratitude, discipline and

determination, leadership, focus, all

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kinds of chapters, and the messages

that apply go into those chapters.

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It's the first book ever written in

text message format, so it's really

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easy to read, so people are telling

me, "I love this book because it's so

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easy to read.", and they're so used

to reading text, and you know what?

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I can jump anywhere in

that book to get inspired.

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There's no story development.

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There's no character development, so

you don't have to start from a, and go

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through each page, because you're going

to miss a detail, so people are loving it.

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They tell me it's really easy,

and I'm just so taken aback by

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it because they're like, "Wow!

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These messages are amazing and so

meaningful.", and I said, "Thank you.

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I just was writing what I was

learning it from my heart.

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I wasn't really thinking more than that."

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: 00:20:46

Now, when I actually wanted to do a book,

I went to professionals and I asked them

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for editing because I needed editing.

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: 00:20:53

I didn't know how to edit properly.

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: 00:20:55

I didn't know how to do citations, because

there's a lot of quotes, and you have to

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: 00:20:59

make sure they're attributed correctly.

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: 00:21:01

I didn't know how to format,

and also there was a designer.

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: 00:21:05

We had to hire for the cover, because

the covers, the back cover and the

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front cover, have to be designed,

and we wanted it to be eye catching.

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: 00:21:13

My kids were, like I said, they

got involved with it, and I really

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took whatever they said to heart,

because I wanted their imprint

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: 00:21:19

on it too, and you know what?

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There we are.

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It took eight months to

publish, and we're out.

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: 00:21:24

It's been out.

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: 00:21:25

I'm excited about it.

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Joshua: First off, my mom and you should

talk, because she doesn't know how to

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use her cell phone, and I wish that she

would text me more as opposed to sending

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: 00:21:34

me emails or messages on Facebook.

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: 00:21:37

I just want to text.

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: 00:21:38

Give me a text, mom!

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: 00:21:40

Maybe you could show

her a couple of things.

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: 00:21:41

Tammy: I would show her how to text.

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: 00:21:42

You know, I'm going to tell you,

Josh, that I have adults who say to

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: 00:21:46

me, " I just started texting my kids.

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: 00:21:49

I'm texting them."

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: 00:21:50

I've had adults tell me, "I feel

like there's less tension since I

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: 00:21:54

started.", and some people like, "Well,

what if they don't answer me back?"

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: 00:21:56

I said, "You know, they don't

have to answer you back.

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: 00:21:59

It's not about them answering you back.

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: 00:22:00

It's about you reaching out to them.", and

over time, every message sinks in, and the

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day that you're no longer on this planet,

you know what they're going to remember?

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: 00:22:11

You know what they're going

to really miss from you?

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: 00:22:12

They're going to miss those

messages, and you know what?

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: 00:22:16

They might start doing

it with their loved ones.

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: 00:22:18

They might start spreading it out,

so what we have to do is spread

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: 00:22:22

love, light, inspiration, real

knowledge, because it's the only way

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: 00:22:26

to counter what's going on out there.

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: 00:22:28

Now, look, devices are

neither good nor bad.

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: 00:22:32

They're a technology, right?

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: 00:22:33

Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:22:34

Tammy: What is really bad is the content.

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: 00:22:36

Everything is about the content that

you're sending, and the content that

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: 00:22:38

you're receiving, and in order for us to

change these algorithms that are based

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: 00:22:43

on hate, propaganda, this is what the

turning up because this is what humans

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: 00:22:48

always respond to, and what our kids

are seeing, we have to bring light.

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: 00:22:53

We have to do the opposite.

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: 00:22:54

We have to work really hard at this,

because it's a much bigger issue

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: 00:22:58

than just sending messages of love.

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: 00:23:00

Messages of love are beautiful.

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: 00:23:02

Love is the highest frequency.

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: 00:23:04

Gratitude is a high frequency.

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: 00:23:06

What we're getting now is low level,

low frequency disinformation, and things

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: 00:23:11

that are being said, and repeated, and

going on, and it's just mind boggling,

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: 00:23:15

and I'm fearful that we're really at

this place that as a culture, we're being

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: 00:23:20

completely rewritten and rechanged, and

we don't even know it, because we're so

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: 00:23:24

hooked into these devices that are just

stealing our focus, our attention, our

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: 00:23:29

over engagement, too much of this negative

information, so I'm trying to find a way

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: 00:23:35

to inspire people to change that paradigm.

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: 00:23:39

That's what I'm trying to do.

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: 00:23:41

Joshua: That's why my comment comes

from that place, because I feel

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: 00:23:46

that those are the remnants of being

able to hold on to somebody that

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: 00:23:51

might not be around on this earth.

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: 00:23:53

I know my mom only has a finite

amount of time, and that's why I kind

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: 00:23:58

of appreciate the book you written,

because you show an example, an actual

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: 00:24:02

testimony, of this is what I did with

my sons and look what awesome things we

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: 00:24:06

were able to share and collaborate on.

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: 00:24:09

I actually am curious about this.

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: 00:24:10

This is a question that came to my mind

when you were explaining it earlier.

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: 00:24:14

Were your sons hesitant when you started

texting them all these inspirations,

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: 00:24:18

these quotes, these conversations?

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: 00:24:21

Were they a little apprehensive

about doing it at first?

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: 00:24:23

I'm kind of curious.

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: 00:24:25

Tammy: You know what the funny

thing was, is that they were

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: 00:24:28

like, "Your texts are really long.

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: 00:24:33

I was like, "Yeah, because I'm into

my thing.", and they're like, "They're

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: 00:24:36

very long, but they're well written."

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: 00:24:41

Joshua: Well, you know what-

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: 00:24:42

Tammy: They got a kick out of it.

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: 00:24:43

Sometimes, we actually

discuss whatever I text.

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: 00:24:45

We'd have all thing about it,

because they come over for

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: 00:24:48

Friday night dinner every week.

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: 00:24:50

We try to have at least one night,

because two of them don't live at home.

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: 00:24:53

We try to get together for Friday

night dinner, and then we'll discuss

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: 00:24:57

a topic, but they always got a kick

out of how long winded I can be.

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: 00:25:01

Joshua: Since they wrote your forward,

I guess then they were a little

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: 00:25:03

long winded, and probably doing

that then to give you a little bit

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: 00:25:06

of payback, like, "I got your mom.

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: 00:25:08

Now I'm going to do this for you, and

I'm going to write whatever I want."

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: 00:25:12

Tammy: Yeah.

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: 00:25:12

You know what?

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: 00:25:13

They surprised me, because I thought I

would have to ask them like a hundred

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: 00:25:15

times to do the forward, or did you do it?

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: 00:25:17

They were like, "Yeah,

we want to do a forward."

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: 00:25:19

I'm like, "Okay."

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: 00:25:19

"Did you do it?"

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: 00:25:20

"Did you do it?"

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: 00:25:21

No.

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: 00:25:21

They actually just took

it upon themselves.

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: 00:25:23

The three of them got together and

they did it, and I was really pleased.

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: 00:25:27

I was really impressed.

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: 00:25:27

It's such a big shift because I started

texting when they got their phones.

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: 00:25:32

Now, my kids got their phones later

than most kids today, because they

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: 00:25:36

grew up, like my oldest is 30.

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: 00:25:38

I'm lucky.

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: 00:25:40

I'm worried about little kids having

phones, to be perfectly honest

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: 00:25:43

with you, but it's out there there.

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: 00:25:44

They have phones.

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: 00:25:45

They have devices.

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: 00:25:46

All of my texts, Josh were like

reminders, reprimands, or commands.

511

: 00:25:51

"Where are you?"

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: 00:25:52

"What do you want?

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: 00:25:53

You want money?

514

: 00:25:53

You want money?

515

: 00:25:54

What do you want?"

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: 00:25:55

I'm busy."

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: 00:25:55

"What do you want?"

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: 00:25:56

"What did you forget?"

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: 00:25:57

"Would you be here?"

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: 00:25:59

"I'm picking you up."

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: 00:25:59

There was no exchange, and they

would answer me with three letter

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: 00:26:05

acronyms like they use now.

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: 00:26:06

All those three letter acronyms.

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: 00:26:07

Joshua: WYD.

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: 00:26:09

That's a new one I've been learning.

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: 00:26:10

What are you doing?

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: 00:26:11

Tammy: I was like, "I

don't know what these mean.

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: 00:26:13

What do you mean?", or I'd send

them a whole reprimand, like well

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: 00:26:17

written reprimand, because I was

upset about something, and I said,

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: 00:26:20

"I don't want to communicate like

this anymore.", not to say that

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: 00:26:22

we don't have texts that say like,

"What time are you going to be at the

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: 00:26:25

restaurant?", or, "Where are you going?

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: 00:26:26

Let's meet up.", but I wanted to give

something else besides that typical,

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: 00:26:33

not really warm, connecting kind of

conversation, which is the typical

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: 00:26:38

conversation that a lot of us have

with our kids on the phone, on text.

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: 00:26:42

Joshua: But, you know, you said

something earlier that strikes

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: 00:26:45

me, and it's something that I

didn't learn until much later.

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: 00:26:48

I'm 37.

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: 00:26:49

I admit that.

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: 00:26:50

I don't care my listeners know.

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: 00:26:51

They know that I'm a young sap, but

you could be technically my mom,

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: 00:26:55

which I'm not going to say that.

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: 00:26:56

Tammy: I could totally

be technically your mom.

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: 00:26:58

Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:26:58

Yeah.

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: 00:26:58

You could adopt me if you want.

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: 00:26:59

I mean, I am going to need- no.

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: 00:27:01

My real mom would be mad if she

found out that you did that, but-

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: 00:27:06

Tammy: She might be offended, Josh.

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: 00:27:08

Joshua: She might be, but you know what?

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: 00:27:10

My mom loves me anyway.

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: 00:27:11

She will always love me, and

that's what I love about moms.

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: 00:27:15

Tammy: We love our kids.

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: 00:27:16

Joshua: But, you said

something that's so important.

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: 00:27:18

Sometimes, we're thinking about,

"This is what I got to say.

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: 00:27:21

This is how I'm going to say it, and

this is what my role is.", but you take

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: 00:27:25

a big step back, and saying, "Yeah.

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: 00:27:28

This technology can have some big harm,

but I'm using it for good.", and I

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: 00:27:32

feel that you did that with your sons,

because it sounds to me that you have

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: 00:27:36

a much better relationship with all of

them, and you have three sons, correct?

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: 00:27:40

Tammy: Yes, three sons.

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: 00:27:41

Joshua: Do you have better

relationships with all three of

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: 00:27:43

them as a result of doing this?

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: 00:27:45

Tammy: You know what?

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: 00:27:46

I think they've grown to see me as a

human being, and I think that's great.

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: 00:27:52

Listen.

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: 00:27:53

Am I their buddy?

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: 00:27:54

We're not buddies.

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: 00:27:55

I mean, I like to think that they

would see me as somebody that they

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: 00:27:58

could talk to, but they do come

to me when they have an issue.

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: 00:28:02

They do still talk to me

if something's going on.

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: 00:28:05

They want my input.

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: 00:28:07

They'll have something that they

need to figure out, and ask me my

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: 00:28:10

input, so that means a lot to me.

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: 00:28:12

That means that they care.

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: 00:28:14

Are we like, "Oh my God, love you.

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: 00:28:15

Let's vacation and be

together all the time."

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: 00:28:17

No!

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: 00:28:17

They have their space.

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: 00:28:18

Two of them live downtown.

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: 00:28:19

I don't get downtown all the time.

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: 00:28:21

They try to come uptown once a week, or

twice a week, so we can get together, but

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: 00:28:26

at the end of the day, I feel like they

see me differently than just a parent.

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: 00:28:33

I remember all the times they

used to tell me, "You don't

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: 00:28:35

know what you're talking about.

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: 00:28:36

Relax.

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: 00:28:37

You don't know what you're talking

about.", because I would blow up, or I

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: 00:28:40

will lose my mind, and I didn't think

I was wrong most of the time, and now

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: 00:28:44

we don't have those conversations,

because I was accountable and I think

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: 00:28:47

that's what changed us, and I don't

sit here and make, "Oh, I'm sorry.

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: 00:28:51

I'm sorry.

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: 00:28:51

I did this.

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: 00:28:52

I did that."

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: 00:28:52

No.

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: 00:28:53

I just shared, but they know I'm their

mother, and they have to respect me

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: 00:28:56

at the end of the day, and respect

is earned, and I respect them.

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: 00:29:00

You have to give respect, and then they

model, so if you're giving respect, and

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: 00:29:05

you're acting a certain way, and you're

being accountable, and you're ethical,

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: 00:29:10

and your character coming through, they

will model that, and they will feel

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: 00:29:14

it, and it will be more of a- I want

to say transparent relationship, in a

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: 00:29:19

way, so I think that's the difference.

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: 00:29:23

Joshua: I love all of this.

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: 00:29:24

I love our conversation today.

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: 00:29:25

I think that you've touched on some

very valuable points that I know I

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: 00:29:29

have some moms that are listening to

my podcast, and they have sons and

606

: 00:29:34

daughters that go from a variety of

different ages that I think that you are

607

: 00:29:39

demonstrating today how technology can

be for our favor, as opposed to against

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: 00:29:46

us, and I love that so much, and again,

I appreciate you sharing all this.

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: 00:29:51

Tammy, I'm going to give you

the last few minutes now.

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: 00:29:53

Maybe you want to let people know a little

bit about how they can reach out to you

611

: 00:29:57

if they're interested in working with you.

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: 00:29:58

You do a lot of different

things with leadership and brand

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: 00:30:01

consulting, which we've talked about.

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: 00:30:03

Also list out how they

can pick up your book.

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: 00:30:05

I would love for them to pick up your book

after hearing a little bit about it today.

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: 00:30:09

I'm going to give you the last

few minutes to do all that.

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Tammy: Thank you, Josh,

so my website is www.

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: 00:30:16

t.

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: 00:30:17

as in Tom, C as in cat,

so that's Tammy Cohen, T.

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: 00:30:21

C.

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: 00:30:21

Brands, B R A N D, consulting.

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: 00:30:24

com, so everything, Women Beyond

the Table, I have a podcast called

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: 00:30:29

Beyond the Table, my brand messaging

services, even Text Messages To My Sons.

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: 00:30:33

The book is on the website

and how to contact me.

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: 00:30:37

The book is available for sale

in ebook and print paperback on

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: 00:30:42

Amazon, and it's easy to find it.

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: 00:30:45

I use Tammy J.

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: 00:30:46

Cohen on my book.

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: 00:30:48

It's Tammy J.

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: 00:30:49

Cohen.

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: 00:30:49

Why?

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: 00:30:50

Because there are a lot of Tammy cones

out there, and there happens to be Tammy

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: 00:30:53

Cohn authors, so I said let me put the J

in there so I could separate myself out

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: 00:30:57

a little bit, but yeah, Text Messages

To My Sons is available on Amazon.

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: 00:31:01

There's also a link, of course, directly

on my website to get there, so that's

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: 00:31:06

probably the best way to reach me,

and the best way to get the book.

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: 00:31:10

Joshua: Awesome.

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: 00:31:11

I'll put all that in the episode notes for

any of my listeners that wake to reach out

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: 00:31:14

to Tammy and continue the conversation.

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: 00:31:16

Maybe she can help you out with all

those things that she does, but I

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: 00:31:19

definitely recommend picking up the book.

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: 00:31:21

I know I'm going to.

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: 00:31:22

It's a very fascinating read from

what I read already on the website,

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: 00:31:27

and I really want to pick it up, but

Tammy, I just want to say I am from

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: 00:31:31

a different generation, obviously.

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: 00:31:33

We've already kind of dispelled all that

today, but you've taught me something

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: 00:31:38

about not only fostering relationships

with other people about not just breathing

648

: 00:31:43

down their necks, and trying to get

that quick sale, but building authentic

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: 00:31:48

relationships and I think that we-

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: 00:31:50

Tammy: Connection.

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: 00:31:51

Joshua: Yes.

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: 00:31:52

Tammy: Humans need connection.

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: 00:31:53

Joshua: Yes.

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: 00:31:53

Tammy: Doesn't matter.

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: 00:31:54

We're all the same.

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: 00:31:55

They're searching for it.

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: 00:31:56

They want it.

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: 00:31:57

They want that connection, and

nothing but a quick sale anymore.

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: 00:32:01

It's almost like it's shady.

660

: 00:32:03

Joshua: Yeah.

661

: 00:32:04

Tammy: They they want to

know you a little bit.

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: 00:32:05

You want to find that

commonality, and you know what?

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: 00:32:08

Don't you find that when you find

something common, when you have

664

: 00:32:11

something in common with somebody, you

just automatically feel closer to them?

665

: 00:32:15

Joshua: Yes.

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: 00:32:16

You do, and I feel a little bit closer

because of the connection that we've made

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: 00:32:20

just by talking about all these things.

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: 00:32:22

I feel like one of your sons, and because

of that, I'm going to leave it on that.

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: 00:32:26

Tammy, thanks so much for being

on Speaking From The Heart.

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: 00:32:30

I really did appreciate our

conversation, and I know our listeners

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: 00:32:33

will get a lot out of it as well,

so thank you for your time today.

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: 00:32:35

Tammy: Well, thank you,

Josh, for having me.

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: 00:32:37

I appreciate it, and

it was such a pleasure.

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: 00:32:40

Joshua: Again, I want to thank Tammy so

much for her time and spending a little

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: 00:32:43

bit of it with me to talk about her

ability to keep on moving past all the

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: 00:32:48

different things that have happened in

her life, but yet at the same token, being

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: 00:32:52

able to spill into other people's lives,

giving them ideas, working with all kinds

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: 00:32:57

of different perspectives and allowing

them to see it for themselves of what

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: 00:33:02

they could potentially become, but it all

starts with an idea, so I have to ask you,

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: 00:33:08

right off the bat, even after listening

to this today, where are you getting some

681

: 00:33:13

of your ideas that you're working on?

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: 00:33:15

Maybe it's from people that

you pick up along the way.

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: 00:33:19

Maybe they're things that you have

seen at meetings, conferences,

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: 00:33:23

even your significant others.

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: 00:33:25

Having that "aha" moment, in which you can

go into a variety of different directions,

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: 00:33:30

can help you go where you need to go.

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: 00:33:33

It's just a starting point.

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: 00:33:36

I know of many things that even my own

clients have done, mind mapping for

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: 00:33:40

that matter, that help you to connect

one thought to another and how they

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: 00:33:45

relate in a significant fashion, but

it's really about that expansion, taking

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: 00:33:51

that idea and running with it often

times is where most people fall flat,

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: 00:33:56

because they don't have the necessary

relationships, the right resources

693

: 00:33:59

for that matter, to make that happen.

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: 00:34:02

Whether it's financial, whether

it's something with capital that you

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: 00:34:06

need to have, whether it's even just

having a brand behind it, having those

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: 00:34:11

networks that help you to answer those

questions, especially in Tammy's case,

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: 00:34:16

really gave her that opportunity, that

idea to create the table that she has

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: 00:34:21

created and has been so successful at.

699

: 00:34:24

If you think about it, we have created

these kind of tables in our own lives.

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: 00:34:29

Whether those are the family tables that

we grew up around with our kids, or even

701

: 00:34:34

working with the ways in which we have

done it, or even working with kids that

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: 00:34:38

are in the lunch table at our own school.

703

: 00:34:41

We were able to create these relationships

and dive into them because we simply

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: 00:34:46

knew that with sharing those kinds of

ideas with them, being part of that grand

705

: 00:34:51

adventure, that meant that we had the

immediate support of some of those people.

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: 00:34:55

We knew that regardless of what we

said, they were going to buy into it,

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: 00:35:00

and that's usually where it starts.

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: 00:35:02

It starts right from where that

centerpiece is and it allows you to

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: 00:35:06

expand beyond, so having those right

relationships can make your role

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: 00:35:11

as a connector even more viable.

711

: 00:35:14

It's helped even Tammy for that matter

to get clients and work with them to get

712

: 00:35:18

brands that are really well recognized,

but you have to realize, having that sheet

713

: 00:35:25

of where you're deep diving into, the

research that you need to do in order to

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: 00:35:30

understand the industry, the requirements

to enter that industry, whether it's

715

: 00:35:34

from a legal standpoint, a financial

standpoint, or other things, means

716

: 00:35:40

that you have to understand who you're

trying to achieve as your ideal client.

717

: 00:35:45

For me, I'm still working on a

variety of different angles as to

718

: 00:35:49

what exactly is my ideal client.

719

: 00:35:51

Originally, it started out as

anybody 18 years and older that

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: 00:35:56

has a living, breathing pulse.

721

: 00:35:58

Well, I realized that that might not be

the best way to go about my business.

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: 00:36:03

That is not necessarily narrowing it down.

723

: 00:36:06

I'm trying to reach so many types of

people, while at the same time, I'm not

724

: 00:36:11

getting any people for that matter, and

that was something that I learned very

725

: 00:36:14

hard early on in my business that I then

roped back very quickly, and now feel

726

: 00:36:20

like I'm a lot more tailored towards

who I'm trying to approach: people that

727

: 00:36:24

want to work on their public speaking,

but all the things that they want to

728

: 00:36:27

do to help themselves become better

versions of themselves, and providing

729

: 00:36:32

a list of services that surround that

concept, but you have to understand

730

: 00:36:39

that you have to bring experience.

731

: 00:36:41

You have to also show what you

are providing that other people

732

: 00:36:46

will want to work with you on

so that you bring the goods.

733

: 00:36:50

It's not easy sometimes to show

that authority, that trust, because

734

: 00:36:54

if you think that just simply

pitching to someone is going to get

735

: 00:36:58

you where you need to go, you got

another thing coming to you, buddy.

736

: 00:37:02

It's not just about pitching all the time.

737

: 00:37:05

Knowing your lane, and knowing how

you get into that area is something

738

: 00:37:10

that is really important, and she even

talked about it with her book, which

739

: 00:37:13

again, I'll put that in the episode

notes so you could take a look at it,

740

: 00:37:17

but connecting the people means that

you have to meet them at their level.

741

: 00:37:22

A simple question such as, "Is

it better if I texted you, call

742

: 00:37:26

you, or even met with you in

person to discuss these things?"

743

: 00:37:31

In this ever changing world that we live

in, especially with the enhancement of

744

: 00:37:34

technology since the post COVID world

has occurred, we have to meet people in

745

: 00:37:39

certain dimensions at their own leisure.

746

: 00:37:43

It means that even for business owners

and for people like you and me, we have

747

: 00:37:47

to meet them where they're at, and some

people are simply not willing to adjust

748

: 00:37:51

to it, and it isn't because they're old,

and they don't understand the technology.,

749

: 00:37:56

Although some people would claim that is

the case, that's not always the truth.

750

: 00:38:00

It might not even be about

trying to meet people that way.

751

: 00:38:04

It takes a significant amount of time

and commitment to be able to do that,

752

: 00:38:07

which we've already talked about in

an earlier monologue episode about the

753

: 00:38:11

importance of understanding that time,

but at the same token, they have to learn

754

: 00:38:17

new devices, new software, new tools

of which they might have to navigate

755

: 00:38:21

through this ever traversed environment

that we live in that's always constantly

756

: 00:38:25

changing, especially as I've mentioned

in even other episodes, the role of

757

: 00:38:30

artificial intelligence, because of

all those things, that's what sometimes

758

: 00:38:35

creates that divide, but we have to

be accountable with what we share as

759

: 00:38:40

our message, and that's really what I

loved about Tammy's point of view today,

760

: 00:38:45

especially when she talks about her book.

761

: 00:38:47

It really shared what we need

to do to grow, and by growing,

762

: 00:38:53

whether we're leaving behind

messages that makes us relatable

763

: 00:38:57

to them and others, that's the key.

764

: 00:39:01

We're able to understand that connection

with somebody else if we're able to learn

765

: 00:39:06

how we are able to grow, and meet them

halfway, and that is really the biggest

766

: 00:39:14

part of what we always are missing when

we're having this kind of conversation.

767

: 00:39:20

Every message that we send is important.

768

: 00:39:23

It's mind boggling of all the things

that we can do, but yet we have to

769

: 00:39:28

spread the love, the light, and the

inspiration, as Tammy even alluded

770

: 00:39:33

to, in order to be able to do that.

771

: 00:39:37

Do we fall flat though?

772

: 00:39:39

Yes, and I can't tell you how many times

I've fallen flat with even closing that

773

: 00:39:44

deal, trying to get that next client,

and even keeping that relationship

774

: 00:39:49

that I know that I need to have.

775

: 00:39:51

It's all about the

experience of being human.

776

: 00:39:54

We have to generate that connection,

but at the same time, hold ourselves

777

: 00:39:57

accountable as to when those things

fail, what can we do to do better

778

: 00:40:02

the next time that we go about it.

779

: 00:40:05

I know that for many of us going through

this kind of relationship building, or

780

: 00:40:10

even dealing with some of the things that

we have to deal with when it comes to this

781

: 00:40:13

enlightenment, this ability for us to gain

new ideas and explore them, means that

782

: 00:40:19

we have to be a little bit more risque.

783

: 00:40:22

We've talked about even the challenges

that we will be having in a future

784

: 00:40:26

episode as it relates to this, but

I have to say, for somebody that

785

: 00:40:31

has worked on networking for so many

years, I think Tammy's got a point.

786

: 00:40:36

If we are really able to authentically

connect with each other and build

787

: 00:40:40

that relationship of trust, we

have to start with ourselves.

788

: 00:40:45

It means that we also have to learn

that not everybody's going to be the

789

: 00:40:49

best person that we get to work with.

790

: 00:40:52

It doesn't matter if we're talking about

this in a business context, or we're

791

: 00:40:55

talking about this in the relationships

that we have with each other.

792

: 00:40:59

We have to learn how to meet halfway,

and even with the fact that we can be

793

: 00:41:05

over the phone or texting to make those

points, just know that every message is

794

: 00:41:11

important, and that every time that you

send a message that is heartfelt, even

795

: 00:41:17

if you never get a reply, and except if

it's never received, which that sometimes

796

: 00:41:23

can happen, especially if you send that

snail mail from the United States Postal

797

: 00:41:27

Service here in the United States, I

will tell you, they will feel a sense of

798

: 00:41:33

change in the warm and fuzziness knowing

that they were being thought about,

799

: 00:41:39

and that is the love language that we

always want to have by the end of the

800

: 00:41:44

day: to feel like we're being heard.

801

: 00:41:49

Tammy's not too far off from the advice

that I've been given even growing up.

802

: 00:41:55

Even if other people don't have

anything nice to say, or they don't have

803

: 00:41:58

anything they want to give you, always

treat them with kindness and respect.

804

: 00:42:03

Even if you think that you've been done

wrong, and even if you have pointed it

805

: 00:42:07

out, and they never corrected it, it's

always about the things that you do

806

: 00:42:11

that are being witnessed, and also not

witnessed, because every time that you

807

: 00:42:17

do it, somebody is always looking out.

808

: 00:42:21

I love the relationships that Tammy

is forming, and it just shows an

809

: 00:42:25

example that all of us can do better.

810

: 00:42:28

It doesn't necessarily mean that we're

going to have it in a perfect context,

811

: 00:42:32

but the main purpose of even doing

this podcast, Speaking From the Heart,

812

: 00:42:37

is to authentically shine a light

on the things that sometimes we're

813

: 00:42:41

uncomfortable talking about, but doing

it in a most productive, constructive

814

: 00:42:46

way to give everybody a chance,

because we all deserve that chance.

815

: 00:42:51

We all deserve that ability to be

accountable with what is being shared.

816

: 00:42:55

We all have that willingness to

learn and grow, but it's also

817

: 00:42:59

the way in which we approach it.

818

: 00:43:02

You don't have to write

a book to figure it out.

819

: 00:43:05

Tammy did it though, because I think

that not only does she want to spread

820

: 00:43:08

her message across the world, which

any great author would want to do, but

821

: 00:43:12

I think she wanted to write a letter

to all the people, even her family

822

: 00:43:17

members for that matter, of why it's so

important to have that genuine connection.

823

: 00:43:23

We all can do this in one way or another.

824

: 00:43:26

Even if we decide that tomorrow we will

pick up the phone after listening to

825

: 00:43:31

today's episode, and call that person that

we haven't talked to in so many years.

826

: 00:43:37

Even if that person is no

longer here, throw up a prayer.

827

: 00:43:42

Think of them in your thoughts,

especially as you go about your day.

828

: 00:43:46

Reminisce on all the good times that

have been there, and trust me on this.

829

: 00:43:52

You're going to start shifting even

your own mindset, even without having

830

: 00:43:56

that kind of conversation, because

those are the things that you can just

831

: 00:44:00

pick up and keep moving ahead, knowing

that you left a marker for somebody to

832

: 00:44:05

follow, just like that path that we've

always been talking about on this show,

833

: 00:44:11

you can do a deep dive and learn about

the ways in which you, and your ideal

834

: 00:44:16

client, or even your ideal relationship,

can happen for so many others.

835

: 00:44:23

Your example can be the example

of somebody else, and hey!

836

: 00:44:28

Maybe I'll get to read about you

one day when I'm a little bit older,

837

: 00:44:31

because you took the advice of our

guest today, and wrote your own book to

838

: 00:44:36

leave your own letter, of what is yet

to come, and what you want to see from

839

: 00:44:41

the best version of everybody else.

840

: 00:44:45

Thanks for listening to episode

number 150 of Speaking From The

841

: 00:44:49

Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

842

: 00:44:55

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843

: 00:44:56

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844

: 00:45:00

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845

: 00:45:05

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846

: 00:45:11

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: 00:45:16

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