Episode #182 - Never Judging A Book From Its Cover: An Interview With Joseph Descans

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode number 182

of Speaking From The Heart, and before I

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go any further, Happy New Year 2025 as we

kick off a whole new series of Thursday

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interview episodes starting with our first

guest of the new year, Joseph Descans.

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Joseph was born in Indiana and moved

to San Diego, California at seven

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years of age with his mom and sister.

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At the age of 12, he became a surfer and

graduated from Torrey Pines High School in

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the class of 1982, and then graduated in

: 2000

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In addition to being a surfer, Joseph is

an arborist, contractor, author, speaker,

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coach, snowboarder, and fisherman.

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Today, being on the show, he's

speaking about his book, HOSEA: The

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Prophet Who Marries A Prostitute, in

which, in the story that he writes,

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a wealthy contemporary Hosea, by

the direction of God, marries a

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prostitute and starts a family.

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You know, I have to say, something like

this, kicking off the new year, talking

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about prostitutes, and before you tune

out on this episode, why don't you take

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a listen to it, because I think that

Joseph's conversation with me focuses on

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a number of different aspects not only

the authorship in which is why it was

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such an important work that he did, but

also, what is the thing that really, at

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the heart, you've been working on for

so many years and you need to be pushed

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forward to be able to complete that, and

we talk a little bit about how it took

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so long for him to get to this book and

really get that written, but I think that

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we learn that even as we try to figure out

how we get through these situations that

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we have in our life, even if we find ways

in which we express ourselves, especially

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in writing, how can we make it impact,

whether that's on God, whether that's on

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something that we need to do next in our

lives, I think you're going to learn quite

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a lot today about how we can put ourselves

into a whole new adventure if we're just

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willing to challenge the status quo.

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If we're able, in this case, to take a

contemporary stance on our traditional

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process, maybe even an idea of how it

is that we are able to make such a big

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difference in other people's lives.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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We're here with Joseph Descans.

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Joseph, thanks for sharing

your heart with us today.

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Joseph: Yes.

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Thank you for having me.

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Joshua: Yeah, absolutely.

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Thanks so much for taking some time,

and actually trying to work this out.

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We had some technical issues

getting started, but it's okay.

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We got there.

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We're on the other side of it, and I'm

super pumped to have you on the show.

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I already let my listeners know a

little bit about your background, but

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I wonder if you could just give us a

big, broad overview of what landed you

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into California just to set the stage,

because we will focus a lot more on your

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book today more than anything else, but

I'm wondering if you can give us a big

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snapshot of what landed you in California

when it was all said and done for us.

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Joseph: Okay, very good, so I was

born in Indianapolis, Indiana, and,

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I don't know, maybe when I was five,

my parents got divorced, something

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like that, and so then my mom brought

my sister and I to California.

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I believe I remember traveling

across the United States.

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I think it was a Volkswagen bus, or

something like that, from Indianapolis

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to California, ended up in San

Diego, and I've been here ever since.

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Joshua: What do you like about

California, if you don't mind me asking?

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Being that I'm a Pennsylvania city

slicker over here, I don't really

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understand the California dreaming.

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Joseph: Right, right, so for

me, I mean, here in San Diego,

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you've got the sun and the ocean.

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I surf.

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I was a professional

surfer for many years.

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My kids all surf.

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It's about 10 to 15 minute drive

to the beach where we like to

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go from my house on the freeway,

so it's a lot of sunshiny days.

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The weather's temperate, right?

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It is hot in the summer, but it

doesn't get too hot and too cold.

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We don't have the big extremes,

and, of course, I can go surfing

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pretty close to year round, so

that's the attraction for me.

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Joshua: I actually wanted to ask you

about that a bit because I saw that that

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was a big part of your background that

you are a surfer, and I'm wondering,

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for my listeners, that aren't like on

the West Coast or have even gone any

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sort of surfing before, what makes you

excited about surfing, or even doing

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that activity in the first place,

because, for me, I never done that.

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I'm more of a farmer where I

grew up so like that's sort of

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my background more than anything.

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Joseph: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We use this term "stoked", right?

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The whole world kind of hitches that

up with surfers, and gnarly too, so I'm

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both, but here's a funny story for you.

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I was going surfing one day.

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I was down at the beach,

and I wasn't at the beach.

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I was up on the street, but I was

running down to the beach, like kind of a

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little jog, right, and so these tourists

stopped me, and I park on the street.

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You come to the end of the street.

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It was a little roadblock type thing,

you know, at the end of the road.

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It ends at the beach, but it's not the

beach, it's a cliff, so you have to

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go down a little cliff, and so they

stopped me, and they go, "Excuse me.

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Why are all the surfers

running?", and so I looked around.

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I saw a couple other guys, and they were

both running too, and it was only the

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surfers, right, and so I'm all, "Wow.

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That's interesting.", and so

I said, "We're just stoked.

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We're excited about going

surfing.", and so they're, "Oh.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Bye.", so it was really funny, you know.

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We got all these people all over the

place, and there's three surfers, and

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we're all running to the beach, so it was

pretty funny, so it's definitely the stoke

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factor: surfing, getting in the water.

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Water is invigorating, right?

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It just is, and then surfing and

riding the wave; it's super special.

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It's fun.

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There's obviously there's a skill.

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There's the whole dynamic of

paddling out, catching a wave, and

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then making the best of the wave.

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Some people are happy just to get

out there and ride whitewaters.

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Of course, I surf professionally, so

I'm kind of at a different level on

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that, but nevertheless, it's just,

riding waves is just really exciting.

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That's all there is to it.

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Joshua: I feel like I've been writing

waves for all kinds of different

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other reasons in my life, so I'm

sure that it has excitement and

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thrill in itself, especially with

catching it at a certain time.

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I mean, is it true to that the

surfer community is really close

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knitted, and really tight when

it comes to different things?

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They're trying to get that

wave, especially if it

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was a hurricane coming in.

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I feel like there's some diehard

people that really are out there

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for the thrill of getting that

perfect surfing opportunity.

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Joseph: Right.

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Right.

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There definitely is.

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There's the search.

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There's the planning.

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I mean, even now, especially when I was

surfing professionally, surfing big waves,

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looking for the big waves, the big swells,

and being at the right place, at the

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right time, when the big swells came in.

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There's a lot that goes into it.

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Now we have surf report, and so you can

get a whole lot of information from that,

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but back when I had less information, I

work mostly off the weather radio, and

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so the weather radio would give you the

winds and the swells, the local wind,

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and then there's a buoy out there a

hundred miles, Tandor Bank, and you get

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different information from up north,

and down south, on the different buoys,

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and so all of this information I would

listen to, and analyze it carefully, and

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plan, and of course, you want to be out

there for the best days, the best time,

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and there's a lot that goes into it.

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We've learned a lot along the way

as far as predictions and stuff, and

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where the swells are coming from,

there's intervals, like how close are

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the swells together, and you learn.

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There's some little bit of information

from all of that tells you how it's

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going to be, so it's definitely

a little bit of work to find that

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perfect day in the planet and be there.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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You have to definitely set up enough

time for yourself, and to be able to

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enjoy that experience, and even have

the patience, if you will, even if there

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is a good report to actually catch one,

so thanks for sharing that, because I

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feel like I'm going to surf right into

your book, and I've been really excited

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about this because it is a fiction piece.

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I just found this out, for my listeners,

as I was talking to Joseph before the

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show, and I'll read the title, and maybe

you need to correct me too, because I was

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trying to figure out if how to exactly

say the first word, but we'll go with it.

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Is it HOSEA: The Prophet

Who Married A Prostitute?

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That's the name of it, correct?

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Joseph: Yes.

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Joshua: Wow.

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When I read the title, I

was like, "Wait a moment.

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Is this about you?", and then

I was looking through it.

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It's like, "No.

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It's not about him.

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It's actually a fiction book.", so I

like that took the element of surprise,

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so listeners, I already redressed that

with Joseph before we got started, but

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tell me a little bit about, first off,

the book itself and the premise of it.

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Joseph: Okay, so it's a modern day

telling of the Old Testament prophet

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Hosea, so in Bible, you know, he's

one of the minor prophets, which

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doesn't make him any less important.

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It's just according to the

size of the book, right?

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The prophet is a type of God, and

he marries a prostitute, and so it's

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God talking about his relationship

with his people as they're going

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back and forth between different

gods, which he calls harlotry, right?

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His God's experience with this

relationship is like being married to a

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prostitute who's constantly out running

around on him, and so, this is the most

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graphically displayed in the books of

Kings, and Judges, and Chronicles, right,

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where they talk about the kings, and

Israel was pretty solid going after other

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gods, but Judah went back and forth,

and so, that's where it comes from, so

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it's God's story, basically, in a sense.

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That's what it's about.

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Joshua: What led you to actually thinking

of this idea outside of it being in the

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Bible, being one of the stories, because I

do remember this even growing up as a kid.

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My stepfather, I didn't tell you this,

was a Lutheran pastor, so I was exposed

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to a lot of those different things.

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I didn't have direct connection

with church and going on a regular

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basis, but I was wondering, why

write a story that's fiction based?

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Joseph: Okay, so what happened is when

I first conceived this, what was it,

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2012, so my habit was to take the kids to

school in the morning, and then come home

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and pray, and so when I prayed, it was

usually kind of walking around the house,

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walking around the kitchen, and so on this

particular day, I just started praying,

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and I was praying for a half an hour, and

things were feeling a little different.

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I was just praying in the spirit, and

after about a half hour, this movie came

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to me, and so I understood a movie, so

it's like in John chapter three when

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you're born again, except you're born

again, you cannot see the kingdom of

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heaven, right, so a lot of the times

we just think of that in terms of

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going to heaven someday, but really,

you're seeing the kingdom of heaven.

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You enter the kingdom of

heaven now, while you're alive.

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Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven

is at hand.", right, and so as being

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a part of the kingdom of heaven,

sometimes we get to see what's going

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on, so see, meaning understand, and

so I had the understanding of a movie.

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I didn't have a vision.

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I didn't see anything, but I understood

it, so it's kind of interesting the

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way these things happen, and so I just

understood this movie, and so it came

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to me, and for over about a half hour

period, and then I took some notes,

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right, and then I got started, and

so it took me 10 years to write the

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book, so that's where it came from.

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It wasn't my idea.

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I can't say, "Oh, I had

this great idea one day."

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It wasn't my idea at all.

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It was something that

came to me supernaturally.

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I took notes, and then I started writing.

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Joshua: It took you 10 years

and I know for some people they

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might be saying right now, "Wow!

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That's a long time.", and I know that even

for some authors that I've had on the show

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previously, and for my listeners, you have

to go all the way back to Charlie Liebert,

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Hector Ortiz, and other people that I've

had, even Dan Armstrong for that matter.

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I've had many different people that have

expressed their different attitudes,

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their different approaches as to why, and

I actually am curious before I even dive

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into any of those, although it took you 10

years, what kept you going as to wanting

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to write this, and get this out there?

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There had to be some sort of

motivation or drive to push you.

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Joseph: Yeah, so 10 years, I got divorced.

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I moved a bunch of times.

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I think I moved at one point, I

moved five times in two years,

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so obviously, that's crazy.

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I think maybe it was three

years, but nevermind.

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That's just a lot of times, and so-

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Joshua: That's a lot of moving, and that

it eats up a lot of time for writing

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too, so I understand that completely.

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Joseph: Yeah, exactly, so

I had a rough go of it.

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It was very, very difficult times,

and so that definitely threw a

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wrench in time, et cetera, et cetera.

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You just take bites at it to keep going.

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There's so many distractions and all that

stuff in the world, but you know, there's

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just something, there was a seed that was

placed in my heart, you know, at that time

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when I got it, and so I just kept coming

back to it, and like anything, it's a

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process, and so the two big things I had

to get over early was A, just my writing,

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because I was like seeing a movie, but

I was thinking in terms of writing a

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novel, and so I had my tenses all jacked

up, you know, so I was just all over the

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place, and so I finally just said, "Okay.

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We'll do the movie after.

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Let's do the novel first, and get the

tenses down, and then we'll just go

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back and do the movie.", and so that

was one early thing I had to work out.

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It took a while, and then the other

thing is the biggest challenge, you

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know, there's a lot of soul searching

and stuff that happens during the

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process, and so the biggest thing was

I tried to not make it a love story,

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so basically, we as people, we want to

protect ourselves from being hurt, right?

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We enter into relationships, marriage,

and everything else going, "Okay.

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This is for life, and everything's going

to be all hunky dory, and we're going to

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live happily ever after.", but Hosea,

he doesn't come into it like that.

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He comes into it knowing already that,

"I'm marrying a prostitute, and she's

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going to be running around on me.",

right, and so it's like for me coming

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into that, I wasn't able to do that.

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I just couldn't do it, so I tried

to not make it a love story.

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I tried to have him distance himself from

her in a sense, you know, like, "Okay.

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I'm not going to fully engage here.",

but I couldn't do it, and I didn't

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realize what was happening, right, and

so I just couldn't write, I was stuck,

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and so then, okay, what do you do?

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You go back to the book of Hosea,

right, and you just read it again,

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and so I was reading it, and it said,

"Go and love a woman.", and I froze

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there, and I read that, and just

soaked on that, and I go, "Okay.

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That's the missing element.

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That's why I can't write.

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I'm trying to write it without

love, and it's a love story.",

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and God makes him vulnerable.

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He's going to get hurt, right, but

he's willing to take that risk,

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you know, and he says, "Okay.

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I'm going to take that risk, and I

know they're going to run around on

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me and hurt me, but I'm just going

to keep reaching out to them, and

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pray that it works out in the end."

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Joshua: Tell me a little bit

about the editing process with it.

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I know that even from other people

outside of the show that have written

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books, it's a very extensive process.

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You're working sometimes with a publisher,

maybe not, and I kind of curious if you

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did, because I don't know if you self

published this yourself because there is

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an industry for that, but I'm wondering

if you could tell us a little bit about

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how that all unfolded to get to the final

copy that we have available to us today.

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Joseph: Right, so I wrote it,

and it's 10 years writing.

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Joshua: There had to be a lot

of disjointedness with that too,

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especially with it being 10 years old.

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Joseph: And it came together bits

and pieces, and so I just kind

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of wrote as things come together,

and I remember at one point, you

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know, addressing the disjointed.

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I'm like, "Okay.

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Where's this thing?", and so I just

printed a bunch of stuff out, and laid it

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out, spread it out on the table, and then

put it all in order, and then go, "Okay.

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Here's the order, you

know, what goes where.

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How am I going to do this?", and then

I got to a point where I'm like, "Wow.

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It looks like I might be done.

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I think the whole story's done

here.", and so, it's like, "Okay.

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Well let's go ahead and send it.

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See if anybody wants to print

it.", so I sent it to TBN.

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I was getting ads on Facebook,

or wherever, for TBN.

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Joshua: Can you explain

for our listeners TBN?

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Joseph: TBN is Trinity

Broadcasting, right?

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One of the original TV stations

came from right here in Southern

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California, but the publishing is called

Trilogy something something, right?

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TBN, and so they wanted to keep

the acronym, or whatever, and so,

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but call it something a little

different, so it's called Trilogy,

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and so I just saw an ad for them.

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I communicated with them.

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They asked for a few

chapters I sent it to him.

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They said they love it, and so then

as things were developing there, I

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remember one day I'm just like, "Okay.

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I think this is done.

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Is there anything else?"

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I sat down in my chair.

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I have a chair, I sit in, I read

my Bible, and wait on the Lord,

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and so I just said, "Okay, Lord.

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Is there anything else?", and he gave

me two more chapters, and so the two

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chapters were Katie and the Jewel,

so I'm not going to tell you what

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those are, but nevertheless, you'll

get the surprise, and so I added

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those, and the Jewel was pretty easy.

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Katie was a little bit of work, but

I added those, and then put it all

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together, send it in, and they edited it.

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The content was pretty good.

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They were all happy with it, so a few

spelling and grammar passes, and stuff

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like that, and eventually, you get

to the place where everybody's happy.

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Joshua: When you got the final draft

of it, and you were going through

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it, and having this opportunity to

essentially share it to the world,

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which you did, and you have a website

that shows that, and I'll throw

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that website into the episode notes.

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I'll know you'll mention it later.

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What did it make you feel?

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Was there a sense of accomplishment,

proudness, maybe a sense of, "I'm

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finally getting this out there?"

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Tell us what that meant for you to

have this all wrapped up, and now

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being able to get to the final stages

of getting it out in circulation.

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Joseph: Yeah.

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I was really stoked.

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Obviously, the ultimate goal is the

movie, so I did recently finished

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the screenplay, and I've got that in

editing right now; send it to an editor,

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but yeah, that was exciting, and so

I did write another book out all the

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way back in 2006, and so that was If

You Want to Grow Rich, Plant A Tree:

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Biblical Insights Into Growing Residual

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Income, so the thing with that is I

wrote it, and then I realized that

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I knew nothing about marketing,

because I thought you put it on the

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internet, and everybody's going to

want one, and I didn't sell a single

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copy, and so it was, it had a landing

page and I didn't know how to market.

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Joshua: I was going to

say; yeah, trust me.

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I've had episodes, even though

this podcast, I put them up.

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Zero, and I'm like, "What happened

here?", so I can understand.

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Yep.

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No, sorry.

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I had to do that, just to

show the humanity that we have

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these creative outlets, and

we sometimes get smashed down.

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Joseph: Right, and so, you know, coming

into this one, I was with TBN, and

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there's expectations, and they don't

promise that they're going to market it.

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It's kind of a hybrid type thing where

they help you, but then ultimately,

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it's up to you, so my primary marketing

strategy at the moment is to be on

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podcasts like this one, so here we

are, nevertheless, so it doesn't

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sell itself, just so you know.

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I was watching an ad on Facebook,

and some guy came on and says, "Oh!

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You can write a book and it'll

practically sell itself.", you

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know, and I'm like, "No they don't.

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They do not sell themselves.",

so I've sold more than zero, but

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nevertheless, you do have to market it.

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I think, you know, once I get the

movie up, and people get to see

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the movie, that'll help a lot.

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Joshua: Tell us a little bit

about the movie development.

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You said that you just did the

script, and you sent that along.

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Is that something that's

slated for a future date?

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Maybe you want to let our listeners know

what it's anticipated to be released.

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Joseph: Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I sent it to an editor.

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I want to make sure I got everything

right before I actually submit it, so

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there's definitely some differences.

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There's a couple of differences.

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People always say, "The book

was better than the movie."

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All right, because then, your imagination

can get involved more with the book,

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and so you imagine it, and so it's

hard for a movie to live up to that.

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Nevertheless, I don't have anything.

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Nobody's bought it yet, so we'll

find out where it goes when

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somebody buys it up, and makes it.

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Joshua: Okay.

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I got to put you in a scenario, so

if you had any choice of who would

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play the starring roles in this

film adaptation, who would it be?

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Joseph: I don't know.

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He's kind of young.

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He's under 30, and she's closer to

20, and so it would have to be a young

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actor, and so, I have thought about

that a lot, and so who would it be?

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I don't know.

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My kids did acting.

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I got my kids into acting.

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My girl did a Nutella commercial, so I've

got four kids, and three of them have

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done some kind of commercials, so when I

got divorced, that whole thing came to an

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end, unfortunately, but nevertheless, they

did acting, so in writing the book, I do

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think about that, because they all went

to auditions, and as some person said,

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"It doesn't matter how good you can act.

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It matters how good you can audition.",

right, so for the most part, my girl

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did really good, and she was born first.

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She's my oldest.

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She's 21 now.

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She's in college, but she was really

good auditioning, but I think about

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that, but also just in my writing style,

something that happened in the acting

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classes really stuck with me, and that

is one of the classes they were in here

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in San Diego, the teacher was talking

about the moment before, so a scene

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starts, and there was always something

happening before the scene started, right?

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It didn't just happen out of nowhere,

and so people are carrying thoughts

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and emotions, and wearing whatever

clothes, or whatever coming from the

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scene before, and so just something I

was always thinking as I'm writing about

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the emotions, and I noticed that when

I'm editing other people's work that I'm

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helping them with the emotion, you know.

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: 00:24:10

What emotions are people

bringing into the scene?

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How are they feeling, and so a lot of

the times people kind of describe the

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scene, and whatever, and you know,

younger writers really love to describe

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: 00:24:22

things, and so it's like, "Okay.

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: 00:24:25

You don't have to spend that

much time describing the face.

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It's not that important."

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or other things.

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What we want to know is how the people

are feeling; the human interaction.

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What's going on here?

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What's the emotional dynamic that's

happening here, so I was always

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thinking about that a lot as I was

writing it, so it's not just the

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action, but how the people are feeling.

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Joshua: Lifting ourselves from this,

and noting that we're almost out of

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time, I kind of had this question that

formulated as you were speaking about

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what you want people to experience.

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What do you want other people to

experience when they read your book?

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What is it that should be the reaction

that they should have after reading

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: 00:25:08

it, and obviously, I'm very broad in

that question, because let's be real.

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I didn't read it.

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: 00:25:13

My listeners probably haven't read it.

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They might pick it up afterwards.

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: 00:25:17

What would be something that you envision,

being that you're the author of it,

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: 00:25:21

that they should take away as a feeling?

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: 00:25:23

Joseph: The whole heart of it is exactly

what happened in the book of Hosea,

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why God did it, and that is how your

sin impacts God; how it hurts him, and

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so that is what we need to take away.

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: 00:25:37

God's out there.

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You're living your life, but the

things you do impacts Him, you know.

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: 00:25:43

It is a relationship, and obviously

we live in a Facebook world,

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and all the social media, and

you get to see all the stuff.

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: 00:25:51

It brings you into people's living rooms

in their lives, maybe sometimes more than

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: 00:25:55

you want, but as I'm, kind of looking

into oftentimes strangers lives, Facebook

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: 00:26:01

friends, or sometimes on the other side

of the world, and you never met them or

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: 00:26:06

anything, but the things that people are

doing, living their lives, and saying

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: 00:26:12

they have a relationship with God, and I'm

thinking, "How could you be doing such and

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: 00:26:18

such things when you have a relationship?

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: 00:26:21

Do you not know that this hurts God

these things that you're doing", and

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: 00:26:26

so, that's really what God wants to

bring our attention to in the book,

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: 00:26:32

and that's what I want to do also.

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Joshua: Speaking of what you want to do.

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What's next?

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: 00:26:37

You wrote this, and you did the film

that you're hoping to get into reality.

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: 00:26:43

What's beyond that?

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: 00:26:44

Joseph: I do have another novel book

movie that I want to write once I've

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: 00:26:49

done all I can do, and learn all I

can learn about publishing, and book

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: 00:26:54

writing, and movie making from this.

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: 00:26:57

I've got another one, and I'm

calling it Lilly's Long Day.

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: 00:27:02

It's modeled after my girl, as a

little girl and her personality type.

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: 00:27:06

She's very outgoing and vivacious

little girl; really bubbly personality.

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: 00:27:11

It's a single day in the life of

this girl, and it's an action packed

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: 00:27:16

day; early morning to midnight.

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: 00:27:19

A lot of things happen, and it's just a

really fun book, and of course, it's got

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God, and family, and stuff like that in

there, and just kind of an adventure,

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: 00:27:30

one day in her life, really exciting.

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: 00:27:33

I'm looking forward to doing that.

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: 00:27:35

Joshua: I love that, and it pays homage

to not only your family, but also gives

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: 00:27:40

a little bit of insight for even her

when she gets older, she'll be able

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: 00:27:45

to read that book to be like, "Dad!

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: 00:27:47

You wrote this about me?

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: 00:27:48

What an awesome dad."

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: 00:27:52

I know that I have no kids, but I have to

assume I lived through it with my friends,

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: 00:27:57

and their experiences with it, so I will

take your word that this will be something

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: 00:28:01

that will help so many people when it's

all said and done to kind of have a

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: 00:28:05

different perspective, but Joseph, I want

to give you the last few minutes here.

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: 00:28:10

I want you to let people know how

they can pick up the book, HOSEA:

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: 00:28:14

The Prophet Who Married A Prostitute.

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: 00:28:16

Perhaps they want to

get in touch with you.

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: 00:28:18

Maybe they have some questions

for you about the book itself.

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: 00:28:21

Maybe they want to learn a

little bit more about you.

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: 00:28:24

I know you do a number of other things

that we didn't even cover today,

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: 00:28:27

but I was wondering if you could

spend the last few minutes letting

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: 00:28:30

people know how to do all that.

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: 00:28:31

Joseph: Okay.

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: 00:28:31

Very good.

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: 00:28:32

Yeah, so the best place you can go,

the easiest place is josephdescans.com,

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: 00:28:38

and so that's my website.

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: 00:28:40

That's where you can find

the book, and I'll be making

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: 00:28:42

some changes there and stuff.

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: 00:28:43

You know what?

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: 00:28:44

I just emailed myself at the website,

and I didn't get my email, so I've got

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: 00:28:49

to go, "What's going on here?", I started

working on that yesterday to uncover that,

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: 00:28:54

but nevertheless, you can get me there.

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: 00:28:56

You can find me on facebook;

you know, Joseph Descans, and

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: 00:28:59

then I've got an entrepreneurial

group, Stoked Entrepreneurs.

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: 00:29:03

I'm kind of helping people build residual

income coming off my other book that

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: 00:29:08

I wrote, and I just remember too.

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: 00:29:11

I've got another website.

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: 00:29:13

It's called the Deep Production

Company, and I've got some of my

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: 00:29:18

kids stuff on there and whatever.

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: 00:29:20

I made it a while back because I

have aspirations to do kids stuff.

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: 00:29:24

Obviously, that's my book that's

yet to come, Lilly, and they were in

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: 00:29:28

acting and stuff, so I got a little

bit of stuff on there, and Instagram.

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: 00:29:33

What am I?

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: 00:29:34

Two Cat Rescuers.

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: 00:29:35

That's my YouTube channel, and I forget

what I'm calling myself on Instagram.

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: 00:29:42

How embarrassing TreeCatRescuer.

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: 00:29:47

There we are.

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: 00:29:48

Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:29:48

TreeCatRescurer.

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: 00:29:49

Yeah.

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: 00:29:49

I was going to help you out there.

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: 00:29:50

Yep.

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: 00:29:51

Joseph: And those are all the places

you can find me, at least for the moment

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: 00:29:55

that I know of that I can remember.

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: 00:29:57

Joshua: No, that's good.

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: 00:29:58

I love it.

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: 00:29:59

Hey!

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: 00:29:59

For my listeners, even if there's more,

I'll throw it all in the episode notes

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: 00:30:03

for you to go check them out, follow

Joseph and his adventures, especially

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: 00:30:07

with all the things that he's doing for

the entrepreneurs, and even for his book,

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: 00:30:12

but I want to say to wrap up Joseph,

it's always a fascinating conversation.

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: 00:30:17

Like i've said to you earlier, I've

had a number of authors on the show,

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: 00:30:19

and each of them bring a different

perspective, and they have a different

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: 00:30:23

way in which they come about it.

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: 00:30:24

i have to say that for somebody that

had this vision of what this would look

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like in a movie before even writing

the book, but now getting to that part,

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: 00:30:33

it's a fascinating adventure to get

to it, and I appreciate you giving us

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: 00:30:38

some insight as to what it looks like,

because some people think that this is

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: 00:30:41

an easy process and it really isn't.

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: 00:30:44

It does involve a lot

of different sacrifices.

523

: 00:30:46

It means that we have to be a little

disciplined, and even along the way, we

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: 00:30:51

have to find a way to even be noticed,

be marketable, and even talked about

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: 00:30:56

the fact that even your first book,

it wasn't successful, but you learned

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: 00:31:00

lessons, and you're now making this

into something that is a reality, so for

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: 00:31:04

all those reasons, Joseph, thanks for

being on Speaking From The Heart today.

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: 00:31:08

Thanks for sharing your story with

us, and I wish you much success

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: 00:31:11

with the script, and getting it

out there for all of us to watch.

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: 00:31:15

I can't wait to see you on the big screen.

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: 00:31:16

Joseph: Awesome.

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: 00:31:17

Thank you.

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: 00:31:18

Joshua: I want to thank Joseph again for

kicking off my new year of guests, and

534

: 00:31:23

being part of the show overall, because

I think that his story, even what he

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: 00:31:28

has been able to write as a story, not

only has different morals that we can

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: 00:31:32

learn, but also has taught us, even

today, that we can look at traditional

537

: 00:31:37

text, and turn them into contemporary

stories, things that have not only

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: 00:31:42

lessons that we can attune to, but also

change, or challenge our status quo.

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: 00:31:48

I think that one of the first things

that really struck me is that it reminds

540

: 00:31:51

me all the way back in episode 2 when

I had Chris Hulse on the show talking

541

: 00:31:56

about traveling around, learning how

to connect with people, and now I

542

: 00:32:01

have another person, Joseph, taking

this cross country adventure, and then

543

: 00:32:06

settling down with where he is today,

and, to use some of the words, like,

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: 00:32:11

gnarly and stoked, I'll tell you, that's

why I never grew up in California.

545

: 00:32:16

I don't know if I could ever be

able to understand that lingo, that

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: 00:32:20

energy that people have out there.

547

: 00:32:23

It's a completely different

vibe, but being a swimmer,

548

: 00:32:26

being somebody that is a surfer.

549

: 00:32:29

It certainly has shown that he can have

this creative energy to show others,

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: 00:32:34

and that's why talking about the book

today, talking about what he's been

551

: 00:32:38

through to write that book, was really a

very interesting take, because who would

552

: 00:32:44

ever thought that a prostitute, somebody

that you think of that gives sexual

553

: 00:32:48

favors in so many ways, engaging in this

world, has then something that would

554

: 00:32:54

give us an opportunity to talk about.

555

: 00:32:56

I just think that is baffling to me.

556

: 00:32:58

It's even something that even as a podcast

host, what do you do with something like

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: 00:33:03

this, and even then, I'm sorry, Joseph,

but it's sometimes hard, even for me,

558

: 00:33:07

to think about what is the moral that

I want to pass along to my listeners

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: 00:33:11

with something like this, but I think

I came up with something that I think

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: 00:33:15

all of us, including Joseph, would like.

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: 00:33:18

I think that we think of prostitutes,

we think about the outcast, and I can

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: 00:33:22

think of many times in my life that

I've been viewed as the outcast, and

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: 00:33:25

even the Bible talks about a number of

different situations, not only with the

564

: 00:33:30

prophets, not only with Jesus, for that

matter, being treated as the ultimate

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: 00:33:34

outcast, paying the price on the cross.

566

: 00:33:37

I think we learn so much about how

we can have all these bad things,

567

: 00:33:42

but we turn them into good things.

568

: 00:33:44

These are situations, in themselves,

that not only build up this routine that

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: 00:33:49

we go through, and we sometimes have to

endure, but we can see and understand

570

: 00:33:54

through these experiences that others go

through how we should treat others, how

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: 00:33:59

we should be able to be more respectful,

how we are able to learn, even after all

572

: 00:34:04

these years, how we can plant that seed

so that others know that we should never

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: 00:34:09

treat people that way, that we want to

see them get to where they want to be,

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: 00:34:14

and Joseph really has done a great job,

even writing the book, to talk about

575

: 00:34:18

these types of aspects, to be able to do

that soul searching process of even what

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: 00:34:24

it means to be damaged, to be demeaned,

be stuck in this connection of places

577

: 00:34:29

that, even for his characters that he

has in the book, has been able to find

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: 00:34:34

places where love does exist, that we are

able to be appreciated, to be enjoyed,

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: 00:34:41

to be able to find ways in which we have

a deeper meaning, and I think that this

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process, no matter how long it might

take for us to write that story out,

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which even Joseph detailed, can be even

a difficult, arduous process in its own.

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Dan Armstrong, another person that we

had on the show now almost two years ago.

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I can't believe it's been that long, talks

about this even with his editing process,

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why it's such a love, hate relationship.

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I think that we sometimes get frustrated.

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We want to throw the towel in, and we've

had even guests in: 2024

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about why that passion, that's what

drives us forward, and I think that's

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where Joseph's story really helps us

to learn that even with this editing

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process, even if it's dragged out, it

does allow us to develop new alternative

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motives, new morals, new paths in

which we can gain and garner attention.

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I think it's not about selling ourselves

though, because even if we want to be an

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author, we still have to say to ourselves,

"What is it that people want to buy?

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What is it that we want to

have as that relationship that

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connects everything together?"

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We have to hustle sometimes to get

what we want, and unfortunately,

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prostitution might be viewed that way,

even though it's illegal in many of

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the states here in the United States,

there's a different interpretation

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of prostitution across the world.

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I'm not even saying today that I want

anybody to partake in that type of

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activity, but what if it would look like

that we were able to at least talk about

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it, figure out why those things are taboo,

why those are issues in the first place.

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Why we aren't able to really express

ourselves more deeply with more meaning,

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because writing, in itself, talking

about this, is an expressive activity.

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Learning how to put this together,

even in a film adaptation that Joseph

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is working on with a director can

create such an expression of not

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only ingenuity, creativity, but also

how we can make an impact on others,

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especially in Joseph's case, God.

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I think that we have to learn that

pushing through a number of different

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situations, and a number different

things that might be impactful to us

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is what really is at the crux here.

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It's what really puts us into a position

of what we want to do to succeed, and I

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think that we heard so much about that

term of endearment that Joseph had to do

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today to get to writing this book, which

has been pushed off, put back on the

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table, pushed off, and put back on again.

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We've heard about even on other

episodes of what it means to find

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that path forward, even when we

see things that are obstacles that

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we have to jump over, destroy, or

do something completely different.

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Just know that even with all these

things, all these opportunities, all these

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distractions, our obligation, our feeling

to connect with others, means that we

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have to learn, and grow, and prosper with

all these different attitudes surrounding

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us, changing the status quo, making us

feel like we belong, and achieving what

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is really deep inside our motives, but

traveling, being able to settle down,

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being able to do that can be hard.

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It can be arduous, and I have to say

that for those that are out there that

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do have that kind of lifestyle where

you're always on the go, you don't have

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an opportunity to really take a break

because you're always doing something.

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I want you to know that this

is all about time management.

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This is about how you can connect

yourself to the bigger world out

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there, being able to share what you

have on your heart, what's on your

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mind, what you have experienced, and

giving people a different perspective.

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Writing in itself is a beautiful way to

do that, and it's something that I have

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even started to do with my own blog on my

business page, Your Speaking Voice, LLC,

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so if you are interested in following

my blogging journey, you can also go

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check out yourspeakingvoice.biz/blog.

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I have to say, it's easier

than that for yourself.

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You don't necessarily have

to follow other people.

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You don't have to follow what

they are doing, because we are

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manifestations of our own destiny when

it comes to learning from example.

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Joseph's example is from God.

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Your example might be from somebody

that's even closer than that, but

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nobody would probably say to you that

you can't get any closer than God,

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and I can completely respect that.

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I can understand why that is a process

in its own, but getting stuck, soaking

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into the areas in which you allow

love to take place, especially in a

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prostitute's case, is something of

a bigger motive that I want to talk

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about as we wrap up today's episode.

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Sometimes we are easily swayed

or judged by some of the things

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that have happened to us, whether

it's in the past or present.

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In the more recent episode in which I

talked about how we can become the brand

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new you, I talked about the importance of

seeing that we already have that identity.

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It's just a matter of just unlocking

it, using the right key combination,

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so that we are able to manifest that

into existence, and I think that we

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all know that we have what it takes

if we're just willing to see that no

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matter what it is that we've done in

the past, we can be loved for who we

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are, and what we're able to accomplish.

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What we're able to accomplish means

that we have to also get unstuck from

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what we have been feeling, what we've

been thinking, of ourselves, and that in

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itself can be a very challenging exercise.

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I urge you, even after today's episode,

if you're still on the fence about

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this new year, and you're not quite

sure how to best move forward, listen

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to what Joseph has been through.

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Listen to why writing this book was

really important to him, and gain

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inspiration as to how you can make such

a big impactful difference in your own

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life, because God's impact, or even any

kind of other impact that you want to

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have, starts from a place of just desire.

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What is it that you really want to

achieve by having that go into existence?

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What is it that you want to see as

a result of all these things that

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you've been working on come to life,

and I think that once you do that,

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once you see what is ultimately

possible, you are going to achieve it.

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You are going to become a different

version of who you once thought you were.

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I don't know about you, but this

year is an opportunity for us to even

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start writing our own story again.

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It's a brand new chapter.

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I'm starting chapter 38 this year, and

I'm super excited about what it looks

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like to be able to do that, so join me and

join others that are willing to do that.

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Go on that soul searching adventure.

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Go cross country if you

want to become a surfer.

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Learn a different language.

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Learn how to become more engaging.

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Don't engage in prostitution, but learn

about prostitution in a way in which

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will help you become more informed,

more educated, and maybe even be more

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creative in writing stories like Joseph

has, because even at the end of the

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day, even if you think this is crazy

that somebody would ever write something

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like this, I want you to know that you

have a seed that you plant, and that

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seed can make such a big difference,

even if you believe it doesn't, and

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can impact others, even a prostitute.

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Learn how not only how you can make an

impact from today's episode, but learn

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how you can change the status quo, if

you're willing, not just to become the

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best version of yourself, but learning how

you can help others to do the same exact

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thing, and I think that's pretty gnarly.

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Thanks for listening to episode

number 182 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

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