Episode #61 - Making The Most Magical of Memories In Our Relationships: An Interview With Amanda Bacon

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination, all converge into an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Welcome back to episode number 61 of Speaking From the Heart, and I must

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start out with this warning about our episode in which we talk quite heavily

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in our conversation today with our guest about the effects of depression and

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suicide, especially as it relates to some of the things that we go through in our

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lives, especially at a young age, so I do want to make that full disclosure, and

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in the episode notes, I do encourage you, as I always encourage in every one of my

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episodes in which we talk about this, to seek out help, and one of the best ways to

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do that, especially if you know somebody going through a crisis, is to dial 988.

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That is the mental help hotline in the United States that if anybody's ever

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going through something like that, you could certainly give them resources as

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it relates to not only that number, but there is a website through the National

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Institutes of Health that will provide some additional information for helping

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someone go through such a crisis, but we have Amanda Bacon, who is another

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person in which I went to school with back in Oley, Pennsylvania, which is

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where I was raised along with my guest.

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She has a husband and also three boy children, often

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refer to as their "Bacon Bits."

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When she was five years old, her grandparents took her to Walt Disney

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World for the first time, and remembering being dressed up as Alice from Alice

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in Wonderland, and having her picture taken with all the characters, she fell

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in love with Disney at that moment, and that love for Disney has morphed

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into the years of traveling and loving to help people create magical memories

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through those travel experiences.

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Over the last six years, she's had the privilege of helping hundreds of

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families, couples, and solo travelers make their lasting moments by doing

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Fairytale Journeys By Amanda Bacon.

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I have to say that for Amanda, who I have known since my middle school years, has

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been through quite a interesting adventure early on in her life, but because of

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the experiences that we talk about in this episode and how she's gotten to

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the other side to now help other people create those quote unquote magical

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memories, it definitely makes me ponder and even wonder at this point how we can

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continue to create those opportunities for others, not just in our own lives,

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not just for our own families, but to understand and fulfill the fact that we

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can be our best way of moving forward.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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We're here with Amanda Bacon.

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Amanda, thanks for sharing your heart with us today.

Amanda: 00:02:54

Thanks for having me.

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I'm super excited to get to chat with you today.

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I am super excited because you're another one of those guests

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that I haven't seen in over a decade, not like Kim, who was on my episodes

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previously where it was over 18 years.

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I'm glad that we actually talked sooner than that, but I'm glad that at least

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got to the point that we had to reconnect so thanks for taking some time, and

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I already let the audience know a lot about who you are, what you do, and

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I just want to start off with this.

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I know that for you, Disney World is just the biggest thing in

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your life and you helping people with that destination journey.

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I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about the story

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as to how you got to really enjoy getting people to be down in Orlando,

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Florida, where Disney is located, and why that's such a passion for you.

Amanda: 00:03:51

Oh, absolutely.

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That's actually one of my favorite stories to tell; so for me,

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Disney is all about memories.

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I've been going to Disney since I was little.

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It's one of those things that I'll say privileged to get to do.

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My grandparents would take me down every couple of years since I was about five,

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and I remember the first time I went.

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I was with my grandfather, who's now deceased, and my grandmother, and we

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walked into Main Street and we walked through the one shop and there was an

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Alice in Wonderland dress hanging up there, and I'm talking like full Alice

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In Wonderland, so it had her like blue pluppy sleeves, her white vest with the

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little embroidered rabbit on it, and there were shoes and frilly socks, and

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I'm sure you'll see a picture of my little bio, but I'm a blonde-haired little girl

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at this age, so you put me in an Alice in Wonderland dress and I am Alice.

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I'm walking down Main Street and this cast member comes up and he goes, "Oh my gosh.

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You need to come with me right now", and he grabs me by the

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hand and he takes off with me.

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Now remember, this was back in the nineties, so it was like a little bit

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of a different time, so he takes me back to this one side entrance and he

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says, "Wait here", and so we're waiting and next thing we know, Alice comes out

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and she comes out and she like grabs my hand and I have pictures of this.

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It's such a magical moment in my mind and grabs my hand and she kind of does

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a little spin, and then she sits on a bench with me and we talk, and soon

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enough Pinocchio is out there too and he's there with us, and then the next

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picture I have is like me, Alice, surrounded by all these other little kids

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who are coming to meet her and I think as a five-year-old little girl, that was

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such an impactful moment that I got to meet one of my heroes, and I think that

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was where my love just kind of started.

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It reminds me so much, and even my audience doesn't

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see this, but Amanda, you do.

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One of my biggest idols, especially behind me, is Captain America.

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That's something as a Marvel character, I have especially adopted myself and

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he's been a hero in many aspects of my life the last several years, and I can

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associate with that with your story because those are the things, especially

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as a kid, we really get attached to as heroes and my next question is really

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about who your real life hero is, because you have the hero in which you talk about

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that is somebody that you have looked up to and it could be somebody that's

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a celebrity, a fictional character.

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A lot of people usually tend to associate with something like that,

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but who is your real life hero and why?

Amanda: 00:06:33

Oh my goodness.

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That's a really hard question.

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I think ultimately; wow, I'm trying to like think.

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There's two ways I could go with this.

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Why don't you tell us about both?

Amanda: 00:06:45

Yeah.

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Okay, so I believe in God.

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I am a Christian.

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I believe that Jesus is my savior, and so He's my ultimate, and not to

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sound cheesy because it's real for me.

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I've known you for a long time, Josh.

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I think you know when I say Jesus is my hero.

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Absolutely.

Amanda: 00:07:02

He is.

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He saved me and he's the reason that I am where I am today.

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He's walked with me through so many different crazy; I give you a Disney story

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and it's all rainbows, but that wasn't necessarily what everyday life was like

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and so he has always walked me and guided me, so ultimately, Jesus is my hero.

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I would probably have to say my grandmother.

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She took me in when I was 13 and raised me and gave me a stable

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home and allowed me to grow up to be who I am today, while nurturing

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me and loving me unconditionally.

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She's my earthly hero, so those are my two.

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Hopefully that answers your question.

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Oh, no, it does and I appreciate you being so open about that because

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right here at Speaking From The Heart, we really are about having what really

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gets us to where we are today, and I was even saying to you before we even

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started recording about the importance of what that has been in your journey

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of where you are today, especially with Ben, which I've introduced to the

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audience already, and your "Bacon Bits."

Amanda: 00:08:11

My three bacon bits.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to talk to us a little bit about Ben and kind of that

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relationship too with having three kids?

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I'm sure it's a lot to handle, especially with even the business,

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which we'll get into shortly.

Amanda: 00:08:24

Yeah.

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Yeah, so I'm not sure how much you've introduced about my husband, ben, but

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he is a board certified behavioral analyst which is a fancy way of saying he

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works with kids on the autism spectrum.

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He helps them out.

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He works in a school setting, helping them, so his job is one of those that

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some days can be pretty high stress environment dealing with de- escalating

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children and things like that.

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Then I have three little as usually like to say, bacon bits.

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They are all little boys.

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They range from 11, nine and five, so they are all over the spectrum with their

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ages, but they're boys and they're full of energy and they're all over the place,

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but I wouldn't have it any other way.

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I really feel like God has just made me to be a boy mom and so I just

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embrace the chaos and you come over to our house and you're going to hear

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the word fart and poop, and it's just a part of who we are and what we do.

Joshua: 00:09:20

That sounds like my childhood for sure.

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You just didn't know about that but that was something that I

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had to deal with quite a lot.

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Farts and poop.

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Yep.

Amanda: 00:09:27

Farts and poop.

Amanda: 00:09:29

I mean, Caleb the other day at dinner was just like, "Mom, I can

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burp so loud", and I'm like, "Buddy.

Amanda: 00:09:36

That is not how we act at the dinner table.

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We're trying to be a gentleman.

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A gentleman doesn't burp at the table.

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You have to burp you can get up and go to the hallway to burp."

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But I love that because for many of us, I'm sure we can relate to

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some of those hilarious moments in our life where it's like, "Well, yeah, you

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probably can, but let's take it back a notch and let's see where it is."

Amanda: 00:10:03

Yeah.

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Amanda, I want to switch gears a little bit because you mentioned something

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earlier about, well, I found Jesus and found Christianity because of some of the

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things that was happening before that and I was wondering if you can share a little

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bit of your story that kind of led you to that, because I've had a lot of people

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on my show, authors and individuals that have gone through some experiences that

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ultimately led them into finding God as a source of that strength, and I'm wondering

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if you don't mind sharing your perspective of how that came to be for you?

Amanda: 00:10:37

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:10:37

Not at all, so I mentioned before I moved in with my grandma when I was 13.

Amanda: 00:10:43

Well, when I was young, my family had some things happen and so that's what happened,

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so me, my brother and my sister moved from Arizona to little town where I met you.

Amanda: 00:10:55

And-

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And for my audience, Oley, Pennsylvania is very hard

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to find on the map, but is closer to Reading, or an hour away from

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Philadelphia, in case you are curious.

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That is where Amanda and I grew up in, but go ahead Amanda.

Joshua: 00:11:09

I'm sorry.

Amanda: 00:11:10

We did.

Amanda: 00:11:10

That's okay.

Amanda: 00:11:12

Yeah, so my family went through some trauma and it left me at a

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point where I was very broken.

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I was sad.

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I was depressed.

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I was depressed.

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I don't use that word lightly.

Amanda: 00:11:26

I was in a place where I didn't know where to turn or what to do, and I

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had thought about killing myself.

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I was on my edge and I mentioned my grandma before.

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She saw that I was sad, distant.

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I don't think she knew how much I was hurting on the inside, but she knew that

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something wasn't right, and she reached out to a neighbor of ours who was a youth

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pastor, and she was like, "Hey, do you have anything going on that she could

Amanda: 00:11:58

do something different, something fun, something to distract her from the things

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that were going on?", and they were like, "Oh yeah, we have this camp coming up.

Amanda: 00:12:06

Why doesn't she come with us?", so I went away to this camp and that was the

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first time I had really heard the gospel.

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I really heard about Jesus and I mean the gospel I heard that weekend

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was like, "You're going to die.

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You're going to hell.", and it was like-

Joshua: 00:12:22

Wow.

Amanda: 00:12:22

Yeah.

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It was fire and brimstone and scary, and as this 13 girl who just came out of a

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crazy life situation, I was terrified, and so I look back on that and I'm like, "Wow.

Amanda: 00:12:35

Okay.", but it was from that that I got curious and that curiosity led me to

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start asking questions of these neighbors, of some of the other teenagers that I

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was with, and through that curiosity is what brought me to my salvation.

Amanda: 00:12:50

It brought me to asking the questions of, "Okay, am I a sinner?

Amanda: 00:12:55

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:12:56

Can anything I do cross that bridge?

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There's a gap.

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My sin is separated me.

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Can anything I do close that gap?", and I was like, "No, because

Amanda: 00:13:06

I'm always going to be a sinner.

Amanda: 00:13:07

I'm always going to make bad choices."

Amanda: 00:13:10

I can choose not to, obviously.

Amanda: 00:13:12

You don't want to choose to sin, but everybody does.

Amanda: 00:13:15

Everyone's a sinner.

Amanda: 00:13:16

Anyway, it's probably a horrible way of saying that, so that curiosity, like

Amanda: 00:13:22

I said, it led me to ask the questions and realizing my need of a savior, my

Amanda: 00:13:26

need of somebody to rescue me because I was never going to be able to rescue

Amanda: 00:13:31

myself, and I think as somebody who had just went through all the stuff, I went

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through with my home life, realizing that I was never going to be able to

Amanda: 00:13:40

save myself, but I have a heavenly Father in heaven who cares about me.

Amanda: 00:13:44

Now was it all rainbows?

Amanda: 00:13:46

No way.

Amanda: 00:13:47

I was a teenager, and I was raised in a home that didn't know anything

Amanda: 00:13:50

about God, so it was a long journey.

Amanda: 00:13:51

A long journey to get me where I am today, but God was always faithful in the little

Amanda: 00:13:55

things when I look back and I can say, "Oh, he was watching me here", and "Oh,

Amanda: 00:13:59

he protected me there", and because of that, I went to the college and I met

Amanda: 00:14:04

my husband, and because of that, then we went to a school where I got a degree in

Amanda: 00:14:09

counseling, and because of that degree, we were able to go minister to people

Amanda: 00:14:13

in Texas, so it was being able to see God's hand in every part of my life.

Joshua: 00:14:21

First off, I want to say that, and I don't know if you even realize

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this, but growing up alongside of you, I knew that there was some pain that you

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were going through, but I don't think I realized how deep that pain rang through

Joshua: 00:14:36

you and how that course of how those things happened in your life, especially

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going through help with the youth pastor to get you to where you needed

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to hear that message, really ultimately transformed you to be the person that

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you are, and I want to pause here for a second to let the audience know that

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it doesn't matter what age you are.

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It is really about if you are experiencing those sort of thoughts, especially

Joshua: 00:15:01

about suicide, it's so important to seek help, and my audience knows about

Joshua: 00:15:05

this, amanda, you have known about this, especially with my journey of what I've

Joshua: 00:15:09

been through to get to this point, and I wish I would've known to reach out

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to someone, so I'm going to put in the episode notes, and some of you that have

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been longtime listeners have heard this before, but I want to put it in there

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again for those that are brand new.

There is a hotline: 00:15:22

988.

There is a hotline: 00:15:25

It is the mental health crisis hotline.

There is a hotline: 00:15:27

There are people available if you are going through that experience or you

There is a hotline: 00:15:31

know somebody that is, get them the help they need, so I'll put some information

There is a hotline: 00:15:36

into the episode notes in case you want to learn more about that, but Amanda,

There is a hotline: 00:15:40

back to you, because what I was really curious about as I heard your story was

There is a hotline: 00:15:46

really about that opportunity to see yourself kind of have the light bulbs

There is a hotline: 00:15:51

click in your life of, "I can be saved.

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I have this salvation.

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I have these opportunities that are before me."

There is a hotline: 00:15:58

Do you feel like those experiences that you've been through translate into

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your business that you do, which we talked about this a little bit in the

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beginning for the audience, which is the Fairytale Journeys by Amanda Bacon.

There is a hotline: 00:16:10

Do you feel like there's some connection there with helping

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people, kind of that same vein?

There is a hotline: 00:16:15

Because I think that you're bringing those opportunities to people.

There is a hotline: 00:16:18

Is that something that you really thrive in?

Amanda: 00:16:21

My tagline is helping people make magical memories, and I think

Amanda: 00:16:25

that's because of where I come from.

Amanda: 00:16:29

Understanding the importance of those memories within a family, or within

Amanda: 00:16:33

like a person, how impactful, and it may sound silly, like how they impactful

Amanda: 00:16:38

like a vacation or a trip can be.

Amanda: 00:16:40

I help a lot of families where some trips that I helped them

Amanda: 00:16:44

plan are once in a lifetime.

Amanda: 00:16:46

"We have saved our money for 10 years to take our child to see Mickey Mouse.

Amanda: 00:16:53

You are making this dream come true.

Amanda: 00:16:56

It needs to be everything", which then I have to temper a little bit of

Amanda: 00:16:59

expectations that you're never going to, like the dream you have in your head,

Amanda: 00:17:02

is never going to be the realization.

Amanda: 00:17:04

It's going to be different.

Amanda: 00:17:05

It's going to be unique.

Amanda: 00:17:05

It's going to be you.

Amanda: 00:17:06

It's going to be your family, but yeah, I think what I do, Like how

Amanda: 00:17:11

I am, does impact that, because I think it allows me to care for people

Amanda: 00:17:14

and their stories a little bit.

Amanda: 00:17:16

My clients aren't just like names in an Excel sheet or in a document.

Amanda: 00:17:21

They're people that I try to get to know on a personal level and figure out how to

Amanda: 00:17:26

best help them make their best vacation.

Amanda: 00:17:29

Does that make sense?

Joshua: 00:17:29

It does make sense because you and I have similar businesses in a sense.

Joshua: 00:17:34

I don't do travel.

Joshua: 00:17:35

I am by no means any sort of expert when it comes to that.

Joshua: 00:17:39

Expedia.com is where I go to.

Amanda: 00:17:41

No, no-

Joshua: 00:17:42

Do that.

Amanda: 00:17:42

No.

Joshua: 00:17:43

Yes.

Amanda: 00:17:44

Listeners.

Amanda: 00:17:45

Listeners, do not go to expedia.com.

Amanda: 00:17:50

I have horror stories.

Amanda: 00:17:51

You can send me an email and I will write out horror stories.

Amanda: 00:17:54

Do not go to expedia.com.

Joshua: 00:17:56

And this is why I have you on the show so then you can educate our wonderful

Joshua: 00:18:01

listeners about why they shouldn't use such websites, because what I was going to

Joshua: 00:18:05

say is I'm glad that I have booked trips with you instead and have been able to

Joshua: 00:18:11

have such a fantastic adventures, which yes, audience, full disclosure, I have

Joshua: 00:18:15

been a client of Amanda's myself, but the point I was going to make is that

Joshua: 00:18:20

the business that I have, that I started earlier this year, has been about getting

Joshua: 00:18:26

to know people, trying to understand where their unique journey is, and be able to

Joshua: 00:18:31

best align where is it that they want to go because they might have a problem and

Joshua: 00:18:35

we're providing some sort of solution, but I want them to work through it, as opposed

Joshua: 00:18:39

to you, you're providing that solution so they don't have to work through it.

Amanda: 00:18:41

Yes.

Joshua: 00:18:42

There's a vast difference between that.

Amanda: 00:18:44

Yes.

Joshua: 00:18:44

Because-

Amanda: 00:18:44

My job is to walk through, like, you have a situation.

Amanda: 00:18:48

My job is to wait on hold 10 hours to fix your situation, which I have done.

Joshua: 00:18:52

Yeah, and I have seen that because I've been obviously an avid

Joshua: 00:18:55

follower when it comes to your business, and I just admire your dedication

Joshua: 00:19:00

and grit, especially, like I said, you have three bacon bits; let's do

Joshua: 00:19:05

four, because I think Ben can be a bacon bit sometimes himself, but-

Amanda: 00:19:09

He's the og.

Amanda: 00:19:09

He's the og.

Joshua: 00:19:10

He's the original bacon bit, yes, and Ben, I love you.

Joshua: 00:19:14

I just want you to know we haven't talked in a long time, but I still do,

Joshua: 00:19:17

so please don't hold this against me, but I really think that it's important

Joshua: 00:19:21

that we have that connection with people so that we can achieve that.

That leads me into this: 00:19:26

what makes you different from, say, go to expedia.com

That leads me into this: 00:19:32

or work with another travel agent?

That leads me into this: 00:19:34

What makes you unique, because I think all of us can have that value

That leads me into this: 00:19:39

proposition, and I know the answer to this, but I want our listeners to hear

That leads me into this: 00:19:43

it from you because you have lived this for over six years, so I'm wondering if

That leads me into this: 00:19:47

you could share a little bit about that process of how you help families and

That leads me into this: 00:19:52

even individuals go from, "I have this idea of a trip", all the way to, "Yay!

That leads me into this: 00:19:57

I'm here and I'm enjoying myself."

Amanda: 00:19:59

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:20:00

Yeah, so your question's kind of a two-part question because the first

Amanda: 00:20:03

part is how am I different from Expedia?

Joshua: 00:20:05

Correct; to that part.

Amanda: 00:20:07

So that part I'll start with.

Amanda: 00:20:09

I am different because Expedia will not call you back.

Amanda: 00:20:13

Expedia will not wait on hold for you for 10 hours.

Amanda: 00:20:17

Expedia does not care if the hotel is overbooked and they've sold you a room.

Amanda: 00:20:25

Expedia could even sell you a room at a hotel that is now a parking lot.

Amanda: 00:20:29

Yes.

Amanda: 00:20:30

I have not had my clients have that happen, but another friend said that

Amanda: 00:20:35

has happened, and I think coming out of 2020 should have been an eye-opener

Amanda: 00:20:39

I think for a lot of people in the travel industry world, because a lot of

Amanda: 00:20:43

people bought their vacations where they bought their toilet paper: Costco, and-

Joshua: 00:20:49

Yes.

Joshua: 00:20:50

They had.

Amanda: 00:20:52

And what happened was when the world closed, Costco was

Amanda: 00:20:56

like, "Can't do anything about it.

Amanda: 00:20:59

You got to call him.

Amanda: 00:21:00

We don't actually do anything."

Amanda: 00:21:02

Whereas ,me and other agents like me, were the ones who were on hold for 10,

Amanda: 00:21:09

12 hours at a time, modifying, fixing, getting refunds, things like that, so

Amanda: 00:21:16

when you book with a booking engine site, you don't get that personal level, and

Amanda: 00:21:22

let me just say, when you book online, no matter almost anything you book,

Amanda: 00:21:27

whether it's a hotel, a rental car, a vacation package, all inclusive, Disney,

Amanda: 00:21:33

Universal, whatever; there's a commission built into that price no matter where.

Amanda: 00:21:39

Even with Expedia and booking.com, all of those places have commissions built in.

Amanda: 00:21:46

It's whether or not you're taking advantage, you're paying the commission

Amanda: 00:21:49

no matter what, but when you book with me, they pay me the commission versus

Amanda: 00:21:55

keeping it for themselves, so I offer fee free services to my clients because

Amanda: 00:22:01

of that reason, so I use Disney because that's my bread and butter, but with

Amanda: 00:22:05

Disney, they have a commission already built into their price, so when you

Amanda: 00:22:09

go online and you price a vacation with them, they give you a price.

Amanda: 00:22:13

That price is going to be exactly the same price as I'm going to give you,

Amanda: 00:22:17

but the difference is, they're either paying them to keep the whole amount

Amanda: 00:22:21

of money, or you're paying them and they're paying me a chunk of that to

Amanda: 00:22:26

walk you through the different steps of the vacation, so I think that's

Amanda: 00:22:29

the first part of your question.

Joshua: 00:22:31

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:22:31

So the second part was how do I differ from other agents or-

Joshua: 00:22:36

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:22:36

Is it about the process or how do you actually do that, is

Joshua: 00:22:39

really that original question.

Joshua: 00:22:41

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:22:41

Yeah, yeah, so with my process, let me first start by saying

Amanda: 00:22:45

that if you are working with the travel agent, love your travel agent.

Amanda: 00:22:48

Stick with them.

Amanda: 00:22:48

Be loyal to them, because I'm sure they're probably working super hard for you, but

Amanda: 00:22:52

if you don't have a travel agent, that's where I can come in, so my process is

Amanda: 00:22:57

you'd reach out to me and you say, "Hey.

Amanda: 00:23:00

We are looking to go Hawaii next year."

Amanda: 00:23:03

I'm like, "Awesome.

Amanda: 00:23:04

What island?"

Amanda: 00:23:05

"Oh wait, there's more than one island?"

Amanda: 00:23:07

"Yes.

Amanda: 00:23:08

What do you want to see in Hawaii?

Amanda: 00:23:09

Do you want to see the volcano, or do you want to go to Pearl Harbor, or are

Amanda: 00:23:13

you looking for Maui?", and they're like, "Oh", so that's where we start.

Amanda: 00:23:16

We first start by figuring out what you want in your vacation.

Amanda: 00:23:20

What are you looking for?

Amanda: 00:23:21

What type of vacation do you like?

Amanda: 00:23:22

Are you looking for an adventurous one, or a laid back, I just want

Amanda: 00:23:25

to be pampered the whole time?

Amanda: 00:23:27

From there, I curate a couple of options for you.

Amanda: 00:23:31

Normally, I try to keep it around three to five options, because anything

Amanda: 00:23:34

else would be overwhelming, and I send them to you and I give you my little

Amanda: 00:23:38

spiel on why I like each option.

Amanda: 00:23:41

Every option I send you will either be one that I've researched personally I've

Amanda: 00:23:45

been to, or that I have another agent.

Amanda: 00:23:48

I'm an independent contractor for a company called Fairytale Journeys Travel.

Amanda: 00:23:51

We have over 200 agents within our agency, all over the country, so if I don't

Amanda: 00:23:57

have experience with the destination, all I have to do is say, "Hey.

Amanda: 00:24:00

I have a client who is looking to go to Hawaii.

Amanda: 00:24:04

Any recommendations on where they should stay on Big Islands?", and from there,

Amanda: 00:24:09

I take their recommendations and my recommendations and create a list for you.

Amanda: 00:24:14

You tell me what you like and we get it booked, and then we walk through

Amanda: 00:24:18

the process of booking your excursions.

Amanda: 00:24:21

I don't book flights, but I help you find a flight and getting you your

Amanda: 00:24:24

transfers, so all of that kind of stuff.

Joshua: 00:24:28

That helps me and even the audience understand that there's a big

Joshua: 00:24:33

amount of personal connection with this, and my understanding is that you don't get

Joshua: 00:24:38

paid until they actually go on the trip.

Joshua: 00:24:40

Is my understanding correctly?

Amanda: 00:24:42

Yeah, absolutely, so like I said before, I am fee free.

Amanda: 00:24:46

Like I mentioned, how it works is we pay the supplier and then after you travel,

Amanda: 00:24:51

the supplier pays out, so if I run quotes for you and then you go to booking.com and

Amanda: 00:24:56

book it yourself, I don't make any money, and I've worked all that hardness for you.

Amanda: 00:25:01

If we get to the point and something happens and you have

Amanda: 00:25:03

to cancel, which trust me, I do not hold that against people.

Amanda: 00:25:06

I understand life happens, but again, in that situation, I again don't

Amanda: 00:25:11

make any money, even if we've worked together for months and then something

Amanda: 00:25:15

happens, I don't make anything.

Joshua: 00:25:17

I think that just demonstrates the importance of working with people

Joshua: 00:25:20

that are directly impacted, especially even franchise or business owners or

Joshua: 00:25:26

small business owners, diverse business owners, whatever it is, because you're

Joshua: 00:25:30

making a direct impact and for especially Amanda's situation, just having that

Joshua: 00:25:35

income come in because you're booking with her is benefiting that opportunity.

Joshua: 00:25:41

You're supporting those bacon bits, but more-

Amanda: 00:25:43

You are paying, you're helping pay for soccer, which

Amanda: 00:25:46

is so expensive these days.

Joshua: 00:25:47

Yes, absolutely.

Joshua: 00:25:49

The cleats and the shin guards.

Joshua: 00:25:51

I know how that is.

Joshua: 00:25:52

I've also played Oley soccer back in the day.

Joshua: 00:25:57

Amanda, can you tell us a client of yours that you had, and again, you don't have to

Joshua: 00:26:02

mention their name or anything like that-

Amanda: 00:26:04

Right.

Joshua: 00:26:04

That has been able to really enjoy their experience no matter where

Joshua: 00:26:10

it is, whether it's a Disney cruise or Disney vacation, or just some place

Joshua: 00:26:14

that they traveled and you helped them get there and they just were ecstatic,

Joshua: 00:26:19

and I'm sure you have so many different stories of that, but who is like that

Joshua: 00:26:24

one person or that one family that stands out the most, and why do they stand

Joshua: 00:26:29

out to you as opposed to somebody else?

Amanda: 00:26:31

Oh my gosh.

Amanda: 00:26:32

Okay, so I do have a lot of families.

Amanda: 00:26:36

I love all my families, so I mean, it's hard, but I have one family,

Amanda: 00:26:41

they travel the same time every year.

Amanda: 00:26:44

She was one of the first people to trust me with their vacations,

Amanda: 00:26:49

and it wasn't a small vacation.

Amanda: 00:26:50

They are a big family and they have big vacation expectations, and she

Amanda: 00:26:56

came to me and she trusted me with her family, and I'm going to say big

Amanda: 00:27:00

family, they have nine in their family.

Joshua: 00:27:03

Oh my gosh.

Amanda: 00:27:03

And they're mostly adults.

Amanda: 00:27:05

They have a couple of kids, but they're mostly a multi-generational family trip.

Amanda: 00:27:09

They travel every year and she was one of the first people to ever book with me

Amanda: 00:27:14

and she comes back every year and every year she trusts me to help her find a new

Amanda: 00:27:18

location and find a new destination, so I would say they stick out because like

Amanda: 00:27:25

I said, they trusted me and that's huge.

Amanda: 00:27:27

It's huge.

Amanda: 00:27:28

It's just getting people to trust me, trust the process, and then she's also

Amanda: 00:27:32

one of my biggest fans, so you need those cheerleaders who are, like, when

Amanda: 00:27:38

you're having a rough day, you log onto social media and you see them

Amanda: 00:27:42

shouting your name on how awesome you created, and it's like, "Okay.

Amanda: 00:27:47

I did something okay.", so it's the ones that hold you up and just push you forward

Amanda: 00:27:55

to be a better agent or a better person.

Joshua: 00:27:58

It's almost like having a cheerleader cheer you on,

Joshua: 00:28:00

especially in that sports analogy as you you're talking about.

Amanda: 00:28:04

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:28:04

My clients, as much as I cheer them on for their vacations, I don't think

Amanda: 00:28:08

they know how much they cheer me on when literally the other day I logged

Amanda: 00:28:12

into Facebook and it was a friend of mine, she had tagged my business page,

Amanda: 00:28:16

but not me, and I saw it because we're Facebook friends and she gave me the

Amanda: 00:28:21

best review ever, and then underneath a couple of my other clients chimed in.

Amanda: 00:28:25

They were like, "Oh, she's the best", and I'm like, "Ok.

Amanda: 00:28:28

They like me.", so it's always when you're having a rough day, because

Amanda: 00:28:33

you will have rough days, it's nice to have your cheerleaders supporting you.

Joshua: 00:28:41

As we close, I want to ask you this one final question, Amanda,

Joshua: 00:28:44

especially since I have to be honest, I feel like even though we haven't really

Joshua: 00:28:49

talked as often, because both our lives have been incredibly busy or have gone

Joshua: 00:28:54

into some incredible turns, who would you say is your biggest cheerleader

Joshua: 00:29:00

in your life, and why, and it doesn't have to be Ben, I'm just saying.

Amanda: 00:29:06

But it is Ben.

Joshua: 00:29:07

Yeah.

Amanda: 00:29:08

And I, it's going to sound so cheesy, but he says yes to everything.

Amanda: 00:29:12

All of my crazy ideas, and I mean, I have some crazy ideas, but he

Amanda: 00:29:18

was the one who told me I should apply to be a travel agent because

Amanda: 00:29:21

I love travel and I love Disney, and he's like, "Hey, you should apply.

Amanda: 00:29:24

You should finally do this.

Amanda: 00:29:26

Let's do it."

Amanda: 00:29:27

My office.

Amanda: 00:29:28

He redid this whole little room for me, so I'd have my own personal space.

Amanda: 00:29:33

We have three little boys and if I come to him and I say, "Hey.

Amanda: 00:29:36

I just got invited on a trip.

Amanda: 00:29:39

Any chance I can go away for a week?

Amanda: 00:29:42

Can you hold down the fort?"

Amanda: 00:29:44

He's like, "Yes.", and I mean, like I said before, he has a stressful job, so

Amanda: 00:29:47

for him, like yes, and when I get like the crazy thoughts of like, "Oh, I'm not

Amanda: 00:29:52

good at this", because we all get those crazy thoughts when we doubt ourselves,

Amanda: 00:29:56

he's the first one to say, "Really?

Amanda: 00:29:58

Come on.

Amanda: 00:29:59

Snap out of it.

Amanda: 00:29:59

That's just the craziest talking.", so yeah, I don't think I'd be as

Amanda: 00:30:03

successful as I am if it were not for him constantly cheering me on, and I

Amanda: 00:30:10

mean, to the point where with what I do, there's never really a day off.

Amanda: 00:30:16

I've had to work on Christmas morning because I have dining reservations.

Amanda: 00:30:19

Emergencies come up during family dinner and sometimes I have to scooch out,

Amanda: 00:30:24

and he is never once gotten mad at me.

Amanda: 00:30:27

You know, it'd be easy to be like, "Oh, well you can't ever unplug.", but

Amanda: 00:30:31

he's never ever looked and been like, "Well, gone again", you know, always

Amanda: 00:30:37

been supportive of what I have going on, so, yeah, as cheesy as it sounds,

Amanda: 00:30:41

he is definitely my biggest supporter.

Joshua: 00:30:46

Not to draw comparisons, but it sounds to me like Ben, and even other

Joshua: 00:30:51

people, even Jesus for that matter, has been those people that have surrounded

Joshua: 00:30:55

you no matter what that situation is, and has been so forgiving even when you've

Joshua: 00:31:01

had other things come up, and that's encouraging because sometimes having that

Joshua: 00:31:06

person that can be on the side and be able to root you on is something that can be so

Joshua: 00:31:11

powerful in so many different ways and I feel like you do that, especially for the

Joshua: 00:31:16

families that you work with, but Amanda, I want to give you the last few minutes to

Joshua: 00:31:20

pitch Fairytale Journeys by Amanda Bacon.

Joshua: 00:31:23

How can they get in contact with you if they would love to book with you,

Joshua: 00:31:28

especially with what you've just shared?

Joshua: 00:31:30

How could they start that process with you?

Joshua: 00:31:33

Is there any information that they should have in hand starting out?

Joshua: 00:31:36

I'm going to give you the last few minutes.

Amanda: 00:31:38

Okay, so I think the easiest way to get in contact with me is going to

be my email: 00:31:42

ftjbyamandabacon@gmail.com.

be my email: 00:31:47

I check my emails daily and I normally reply within 24 hours unless I have

be my email: 00:31:53

something going on with the family and then it might be a little bit longer,

be my email: 00:31:56

but I'm normally within 24 hours, you would go back from me, and really all I

need to know is: 00:32:01

where do you want to go?

need to know is: 00:32:04

What do you want to do?

need to know is: 00:32:05

I love, love walking in the journey of figuring it out.

need to know is: 00:32:10

It can even be as simple as I just want to go and have teal waters

need to know is: 00:32:15

and a nice drink in my hands.

need to know is: 00:32:17

I got a destination for that; several, actually, or it can be, I'm ready to

need to know is: 00:32:22

plan that once in a lifetime magical vacation to see a castle or two.

need to know is: 00:32:28

I have a destination for that, so yeah, my email address.

need to know is: 00:32:33

I'm also on Facebook, and it is Fairytale Journeys by Amanda Bacon, so those

need to know is: 00:32:38

are really the best two ways to get in contact with me and to start our

need to know is: 00:32:42

journey of making some magical memories.

Joshua: 00:32:46

Can you also give the audience your website too?

Amanda: 00:32:49

Yeah, it is fairytalejourneysbyamandabacon.com.

Joshua: 00:32:54

Awesome, and I'll have all that in the episode notes in

Joshua: 00:32:57

case you want to reference that, but Amanda, I want to say this.

Joshua: 00:33:02

Again, just like I had Kim on the show, I want to tell you that I know that we

Joshua: 00:33:07

haven't interacted as much, but I've been an avid follower of you and I've been

Joshua: 00:33:12

so impressed by what you have continued to be, and you are still the authentic

Joshua: 00:33:17

self that you have been even after all these years, and I love that your spirit

Joshua: 00:33:23

has carried on to be who you are and what you do to help others, to help the

Joshua: 00:33:28

little bacon bits themselves, and also Ben, the big bacon bit himself, and

Joshua: 00:33:33

I'm just encouraged, inspired by your family every time, and it definitely

Joshua: 00:33:38

allows me to say that I have goals, and those are some of the goals, hashtag

Joshua: 00:33:43

goals for Amanda's family because of all that, to throw it back to a nineties,

Joshua: 00:33:48

two thousands reference, but I wouldn't have it any other way, just as the old

Joshua: 00:33:54

Backstreet Boys song would say, but with all of that said, Amanda, thanks

Joshua: 00:33:59

for being on Speaking From The Heart.

Joshua: 00:34:00

I'm really glad that we got to connect and shared this opportunity and thank

Joshua: 00:34:04

you so much for being who you are, and thank you for supporting me as well.

Joshua: 00:34:09

It really has meant a lot.

Amanda: 00:34:11

Well, thank you really for having me.

Amanda: 00:34:12

It was a fun time to get to reconnect and chat a little bit.

Joshua: 00:34:16

I want to thank Amanda again for being part of the show and for

Joshua: 00:34:19

the years of friendship that we've had, not only being close friends

Joshua: 00:34:24

that we were, but even following our journeys even after all this time.

Joshua: 00:34:29

Again, it's one of those guests that I've had on the show before that has seen me

Joshua: 00:34:35

from the distance, has continued to see me go through this revolutionary change,

Joshua: 00:34:41

but even so many years ago, had even seen it in me and wanted me to become the best

Joshua: 00:34:47

version of myself, which often was not very easy to do, given all the challenges

Joshua: 00:34:53

and all the sacrifices that have been made, but that's really what this is all

Joshua: 00:34:59

about, is being able to understand that even the most biggest of fantasies that

Joshua: 00:35:04

we have in our lives of what we ultimately want to become can come true, and I think

Joshua: 00:35:10

Amanda's story about all of this in which it came to really the conclusion of what

Joshua: 00:35:15

she had to do in order to become something that sort of sparked that ingenuity,

Joshua: 00:35:22

that creativity to keep moving forward no matter what is what really drove her to

Joshua: 00:35:28

go through all the different things in our life to get to the other side, especially

Joshua: 00:35:33

embracing her Christianity, which I know she truly believes and has been something

Joshua: 00:35:38

that even with her relationship with her husband, Ben, has really created some

Joshua: 00:35:43

of the best versions for their family as well, and I think this is really an

Joshua: 00:35:48

important pivotal point in which we have to ask ourself this question: who can

Joshua: 00:35:53

we walk through in those dark times to get to the rainbows that we want to see,

Joshua: 00:35:59

and who can help us, no matter what, to become part of that ultimate experience?

Joshua: 00:36:06

I think in our lives, especially as we're young, we try to juggle so many

Joshua: 00:36:11

different priorities, which I know you're laughing at me right now because

Joshua: 00:36:14

you're probably thinking, "Josh, really?

Joshua: 00:36:17

We have priorities as kids even growing up?", and I would have to say, yes, we do.

Joshua: 00:36:24

Maybe not the same priorities that we would have, especially as we got older

Joshua: 00:36:29

and we have more job responsibilities as it relates to the financial piece of

Joshua: 00:36:34

it, making sure that we have something like a house to live in with a roof

Joshua: 00:36:40

over our head, and maybe even having food and water, the support and sustain

Joshua: 00:36:45

our livelihood, but when we juggle so many different things, who's going to

Joshua: 00:36:50

be part of this experience with us?

Joshua: 00:36:53

Who's going to hold us accountable for what's truly necessary, and I think

Joshua: 00:36:58

that being absolutely broken, even at an early age, can create some of the

Joshua: 00:37:04

most defining moments in our lives in which we never thought we possibly

Joshua: 00:37:08

could have, so it becomes a question of not only seeing those rainbows,

Joshua: 00:37:13

but how can we close the gap so we could see those rainbows more quickly?

Joshua: 00:37:18

I think for Amanda, especially with the journey that she's been on, she's been

Joshua: 00:37:22

able to connect so many families with that opportunity of a lifetime through her

Joshua: 00:37:27

experience, not only helping her family directly to experience the Disney World

Joshua: 00:37:34

Adventure that we all can be on, no matter what kind of sort of vacation package

Joshua: 00:37:39

that you choose, but it can help us to understand why, and more importantly,

Joshua: 00:37:46

how, we can create some of those movements in our own lives, whether they're really

Joshua: 00:37:52

easy to do or really hard and complicated, spending hours in the wee morning

Joshua: 00:37:58

helping someone, especially when they're stranded and needing to get assistance.

Joshua: 00:38:04

I think that for many of us, being able to go through those broken moments can

Joshua: 00:38:10

actually strengthen us to get to the other side, especially if it helps us

Joshua: 00:38:14

to understand really who we can truly be, and I think that we create those

Joshua: 00:38:20

opportunities for others, whether we believe it or not and it's not just about

Joshua: 00:38:24

understanding the work that is involved with it, but understanding the impact.

Joshua: 00:38:30

I've mentioned on many episodes about my friend Dan Armstrong, which we've had on

Joshua: 00:38:33

the show, talk about that, and that even from a distance, you don't even realize

Joshua: 00:38:38

how much of a true impact someone has on someone else, and even talking to Brianne

Joshua: 00:38:43

DiDino, and talking about those universal teams that we have, I think that all of us

Joshua: 00:38:48

understand the importance of having that support system so that we can get to the

Joshua: 00:38:53

day the day, but the biggest underpinning to all those things in which we create

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those best relationships with people in which sometimes we don't even know that

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we have those relationships with people, is all about this one word only: trust.

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Trust defines everything that we can ever become in our lives.

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Trust allows us to have people in our life that define the process of taking even

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that first step, and as a coach, I believe that so much more than anything else,

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although sometimes for me, and especially in the early parts of my life, I did not

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believe in trust whatsoever because we sometimes don't even believe in ourselves.

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We don't believe in what we could potentially do and especially when

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we're stuck in some of the most livid, the most terrible situations

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in which we want to have an escape plan, we have to say to ourselves,

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"What is the best way to go about this without angering, disappointing, or

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even frustrating that other person?"

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I think this is where we need to stop and think about for

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a little bit about ourselves.

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Yes.

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I'm not going to debate for one moment about the concept of a marriage and

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really the importance of understanding that connection, having that trust factor

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so that you could both move in unison.

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You make that relationship commitment no matter what it is, no matter if you have

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one person, or even as one therapist guest that we've had on this show talked about

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if you have many people that you love and you care about, and you definitely

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create some of those best bonds.

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Ultimately, the question really becomes: who is going to say yes to our crazy

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ideas in order for them to be a reality?

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I think that sometimes being a little crazy can help us to understand the

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sacrifice, the energy, the determination, the confidence that we have in ourselves

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to create some of the best things in our entire lives, including those most

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magical of moments, and I think that for Amanda and her guardians that have

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helped her in her life, it certainly shows that the power of family can overcome

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so much, and can teach you so much about not only yourself, but for others,

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teach you about the ability of bonding.

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Being able to understand and create that ultimate connection with someone,

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whether they are in the physical or not, to understand and to truly

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appreciate some of the best aspects that we have yet to come in our lives.

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Essentially, it becomes a matter of how we can juggle those things so that

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we can take the proper attention, the proper course of action, in order for

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us to not only understand what's truly important, but to also instill those

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sort of skill sets into somebody else.

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Ultimately, it becomes not just who we want to become, but who

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do we want others that we have influence over to become as well.

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I think Disney is in the works of doing just that by creating such a magical

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experience, you can have kids and even adults from that matter, have a truly

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big testimony to tell about their own lives and being able to understand and

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relate in such a way that allows others to see the true abilities that we have

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within ourselves, and I think for Amanda, she's seeing that at a young age and

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she was able to do that just as much.

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Although it took her a little bit, she got to that side and she's rocking it.

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She's rocking it so loudly for others, even her own family, it becomes

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something that she never thought she would ever be at a young age, and even

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for me, walking alongside of her and seeing those experiences and really,

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to be honest, wanting to just be able to listen to what she had to say, I

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wasn't ready for it, and that's exactly another point I have to make is that

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we have to be ready to embrace that.

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To embrace what is in our wildest dreams, whatever is on the other side

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of that rainbow, because if we're able to do that, we are going to

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be willing to change more quickly.

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We are going to be able to get to the other side very fast, but more

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importantly, we're going to be able to learn skills, knowledge, and abilities

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that oftentimes is forgotten about, and I think that for anybody going through such

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an experience that is truly important, not just in the way in which we create

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some of the best versions of ourselves, but to help us to understand how we,

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as human beings move forward throughout time itself, because no matter what time

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does to us, we always think about those magical moments in our lives, even if

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they do come from a Disney vacation, because we want to be not just the best

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versions of ourselves, but the best things that we have ever seen in our lives,

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even if it is such a Disney character.

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Thanks for listening to episode number 61 of Speaking From The

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Heart, and I look forward to hearing from your heart very soon.

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