Episode #39 - It's Not All What It Is Cracked Up To Be: An Interview With Paula Bruckner

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination, all converge into an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Welcome back to episode number 39 of Speaking From the Heart, and

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this is the final episode that we'll have on a Wednesday for now that we've

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been featuring several businesses that have been truly impactful in

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the ways and the unique opportunities in which they've been able to help

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serve the community as a whole.

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No matter where you live, no matter where you're at, we can always think

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of opportunities of businesses that are making a big difference and speaking

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from the heart, and I really want to thank all of the Wednesday guests that

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we've had to be able to complete this grand opportunity to give back, and I

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thank everyone that has ever supported this podcast to get to this point.

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It is deeply, imaginally, appreciative for all the things

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that you have supported me in.

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Today we have Paula Bruckner.

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Paula helps Generation X women feel confident to be able to exercise without

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judging themselves so they can improve pelvic floor functioning through movement.

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Through her offerings with her business, My Vagina Coach, which we will definitely

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talk about right in the beginning of why I have such a unique take on her business

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name, she actually provides unique opportunities through personal training

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in person or virtually along with her on demand opportunities to work through

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a wide variety of issues that might be involved with that area of the body.

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Now, let's be real.

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All of us go through these sort of situations in our lives, and the

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very things that we talk about are probably the most uncomfortable things

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that we would never imagine talking about with someone else, but me as

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a podcast host, I will say this.

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This was one of the most open conversations I have ever had about

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my fully functioning body, and even though I giggled so much with this

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episode and even some of the people I have shared this episode with, I

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will not deny for one second that all of us have gone through these sort of

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situations on our own, but the fact that Paula has lived it and is willing

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to help others defines, a whole new generation of people that can be supported

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no matter how uncomfortable it is.

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That is what truly makes people speak from the heart because

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they need this sort of help.

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With that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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I'm here with Paula Bruckner.

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Paula, thanks for sharing your heart with us today.

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Thanks for having me.

Joshua: 00:02:51

Absolutely.

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I have really enjoyed just our conversation before this, and yes, full

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disclosure folks, I probably will be saying vagina a lot today because that

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is the name of her business, My Vagina Coach, and I know that I am going to

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be ridiculed for the rest of my life about this episode, but that's okay,

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because I said to Paula even before we started that I'm okay with it.

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I'm just a male just living in a female world right now, and that's okay with me.

Paula: 00:03:21

That's right.

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You're going to do great.

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I am, and you're going to do great too, so Paula, I want to

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let the audience know a little bit about how you got to be able to start

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this business because they know a little bit about it and what you do.

Paula: 00:03:35

Mm-hmm.

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But can you elaborate on how you got to this point where you wanted

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to help people with the pelvic area?

Paula: 00:03:42

Yeah, so 2021.

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I had a very severe pelvic floor problem myself and it

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was actually not in my vagina.

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Oh, okay.

Paula: 00:03:54

It was in my rectum, so this is something that it can affect men too-

Joshua: 00:03:58

Yep.

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Because everybody, everybody has a rectum.

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Unless you have a-

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Everybody poops.

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That's what the book I read growing up, so-

Paula: 00:04:04

That's right.

Joshua: 00:04:05

Yep.

Paula: 00:04:05

So everybody poops except for me at that time.

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Mm.

Paula: 00:04:08

So I had to go to a lot of pelvic floor physical therapy.

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It was a really traumatic time for me because I was just feeling sick

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all the time, and I was not able to do the things that humans do, and so

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I had to go to pelvic floor physical therapy, which I didn't even know

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was a thing until I was doing it.

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I was going three times a week and not to get too graphic, but they massage

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you internally so that the muscles can relax, so I don't do that because

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I'm a personal trainer, but you can do it to yourself, and I've had to

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learn how to do it to myself too.

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Anyway, it was a time when I just really felt alone and I didn't feel

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like anybody had ever gone through that before, at least anybody that I knew or

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anybody that would talk about it, and I'm sure lots of people go through it.

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The thing that I have, I think is like the statistics are a third

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of women who give birth have it.

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It's a fissure.

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It's really incredibly painful, and so healing from that, my muscles

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all tensed up in my pelvic floor, so you have a pelvic bowl inside

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your pelvic muscles, and the bowl is made up of different muscles.

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There's actually, I can't remember the exact number; it's either 25 or

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28 different muscles down there, so there's a lot of teeny tiny, intricate

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parts and some of mine were seized up.

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Coming out the other side of that, I thought, "Oh my gosh, I really need

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to help other people", because it was horrible and I don't want anybody else out

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there to feel like they're alone and that they have to do this alone because one,

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it might be taboo or two, their partner's sick of hearing them cry about it, which

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my partner was definitely like, I've had enough, like this is too much information.

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This is too much every day, but it's consuming when that's when

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you're sick and you're struggling with just simple body functions.

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It's horrible, so anyway, wanted to help people as much as I could.

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While all this was happening, I was taking my 200 hour yoga teacher certification,

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and right after that I launched into my personal training certification, and

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so I could work one-on-one with people and then shortly thereafter, I got a

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certification for corrective exercise for pregnancy and postpartum, which I

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don't typically target postpartum women.

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I can work with them.

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My specific target is pelvic floor.

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I would like to mostly work with women my age and a little bit older women who

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are still peeing their pants and their kids in college or their kids in high

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school and they just haven't taken the time for themselves to rectify something

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that the medical world is telling them is wrong with them, and telling them they

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need a cure for, which is a diaper or a period panty that you're peeing into, like

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they're just telling you, "Oh, it's okay.

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This is just something that's going to happen."

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It's actually not okay and there is something you can do about it.

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My mission is to help women who are like me, one, to be there for them if they need

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a friend or somebody to talk to, whatever; I mean, I call them personal training

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sessions, but you can sit there and talk to me for the whole hour if you want to.

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Can I ask you a question about that?

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Sure.

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Because that's really interesting to me that there's only

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28 muscles really around that area that make a big difference into

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all the things that you listed and-

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Mm-hmm.

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I was sharing with you some of my family members, more specifically my mom-

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Mm-hmm.

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That has gone through a lot of different things

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in her life more recently.

Paula: 00:07:51

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:07:52

And I know that it can be very uncomfortable.

Paula: 00:07:54

Yes.

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And I shared with you about even being uncomfortable even talking

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about this because I'm a male.

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Right.

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Right.

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But, but at the same time, even with the gender differences, I

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know that this is something really important and it's often overlooked, so-

Paula: 00:08:08

For sure.

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Is there something that even as somebody like me that's maybe

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healthy in that area, and even thinking about what some of the things are

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that we could do, are there exercises essentially that we could practice?

Paula: 00:08:22

Yes, so first, just to kind of touch on what you're talking

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about, if you're a dude or if you're a lady, whichever one, if

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you're experiencing constipation, or if you're peeing your pants,

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because men can pee their pants too.

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If you're experiencing erectile dysfunction, any of those things, they're

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all considered pelvic floor dysfunction, and there are exercises you can do.

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The one that has gotten the most press over the last 10

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to 20 years has been Kegels.

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I'm not a fan of Kegels.

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I do not suggest anybody I know do Kegels, so if there's only one

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thing that you retain from this conversation or this podcast about

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vaginas is stop doing Kegels, please.

Joshua: 00:09:08

Mm.

Paula: 00:09:08

They are appropriate for some people, but for most

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people, they are not appropriate.

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The woman who is peeing her pants specifically, a kegel is something that

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can potentially worsen the situation.

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We have muscles that are hypertonic and hypotonic.

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The hypotonic muscle is the muscle that's too relaxed, and sometimes

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people are peeing their pants because it's hypotonic, it's too relaxed, but

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usually the case is that they're peeing their pants because it's hypertonic.

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Imagine this, your pelvic floor, you're holding a brick.

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As the day goes on, you're holding this brick because

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your pelvic floor is hypotonic.

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It's too tight, so it's already gripping and try to hold this

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brick, and along comes a sneeze.

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That's like throwing a second brick on really quickly.

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What's going to happen?

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Your muscles are already fatigued, they're already gripping, and so when that

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stressor comes on, the second brick or the sneeze or whatever it is, the jump,

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the cough, that's when the pee comes out because the muscles can't get any tighter.

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A lot of times if people are doing Kegels, it really feeds into that because they

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think a Kegel is just a contraction.

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If you're doing a real Kegel, you need to contract and then you need to relax for

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at least twice as long as you contracted.

Joshua: 00:10:36

Mm.

Paula: 00:10:37

So the elasticity of the pelvic floor is really what we're after.

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Some really great exercises that you can practice at home are a cat cow,

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so that's when you get on hands and knees, all fours, and you arch the

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back and then lower the belly towards the ground, so if you need a visual,

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just Google "cat cow yoga position", and you arch the back and then you

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let the belly drop towards the floor.

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When you're doing this, make sure your pelvis, which is sitting on top of your

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femur in your leg, which is that big thigh muscle, your pelvis during the

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cow, which is when the belly is pointing towards the ground, your pelvis is also

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tip towards the ground, and then when you do the cat, which is the arched back,

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your pelvis is kind of tucked under.

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We want to make sure that the pelvis has good rotation on that femur and

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that is helping with the cat cow.

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Another position you can do as a deep squat, so that would be like if

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you grabbed onto a doorway when you were in the doorway and bent your

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knees and took your butt down to the ground as far as you could go.

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Some people are more flexible than others.

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Some people can drop all the way down, and some people can only drop partially the

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way down, but that's a really good one.

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That actually releases the pelvic floor muscles and specifically the

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back pelvic muscles because the sit bones in the pelvis, which are the

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little bony protrusions, like if you stuck your hand under your butt right

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now and you felt there's like a bony part in there; that's your sit bone.

Joshua: 00:12:13

Oh, I just felt it.

Paula: 00:12:14

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:12:14

Yeah.

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Did you feel it?

Joshua: 00:12:15

Yep, I do.

Paula: 00:12:16

So when you do that dropping motion in the doorway, drop your butt down.

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Those sit bones come apart, and so the pelvic bowl relaxes, so

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that's a really good one to do right before you do number two.

Joshua: 00:12:31

Mm-hmm.

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Paula, I love that you're giving my listeners some tips because some people

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are probably like, "I'm never going to do this in front of my significant other",

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but I think it's really important that you do something for yourself, because

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like I just mentioned earlier, it's 28 muscles, everything has a muscle if we

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don't use it, we lose it, and I even tell my own clients about that too.

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You've got to practice when it comes to some of these

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techniques and be consistent.

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Yeah.

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That's really the role of a coach, so I love the fact that you

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are open to, "Well, maybe not today, because I see that you're upset.

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Let's talk about why you're upset", because it is an

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emotional process in itself.

Paula: 00:13:09

Yes.

Joshua: 00:13:09

So I want to actually get into that with you.

Paula: 00:13:11

Sure.

Joshua: 00:13:12

Because I know what you shared earlier, your testimony, my heart goes

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out to you that you went through that.

Paula: 00:13:18

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:13:18

Was that painful in the sense of not just the physical, which I know there

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had to be definitely physical discomfort.

Paula: 00:13:24

Oh yeah.

Joshua: 00:13:24

But was there some emotional concerns, maybe some long-term

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things that even thinking about it today, is there some things that

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you still are processing with that?

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Is that something that you use as experience with your clients too, to kind

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of associate or relate to them, because I know that sometimes even for me, I have

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to be open and transparent about some of the things that I go through, because,

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to be a good coach, you should be your best authentic self, so I'm just curious.

Joshua: 00:13:55

Tell me a little bit about that and how you kind of process that even to today.

Paula: 00:14:00

Yeah, like I said, I felt really alone and it's hard to not have your

Paula: 00:14:06

body work properly and I'm only 42 years old, but I can't imagine, as I age, more

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and more things are going to go wrong, but this is a pretty fundamental thing.

Paula: 00:14:18

If you're human, you need to eat, you need to poop, so not being able to

Paula: 00:14:23

do that stuff, maybe someday when I'm 80, I won't be able to do a squat?

Paula: 00:14:27

Okay, great.

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I don't need to do a fabulous squat in order to live my life,

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but I'm still going to need to be able to have a bowel movement.

Paula: 00:14:35

It was tough, and there's not really a support network out there that

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I know of, but I'm sure that I can create, so that's what I want to do.

Paula: 00:14:46

I want to support people and let them know they're not alone because I felt

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alone, and I also want to let them know that you don't have to be an exercise

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queen to take care of your body.

Paula: 00:15:01

You can do a little bit every day or every other day, and you can give

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your body what it needs in order to move properly and do the things that

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you need to do as a human being.

Paula: 00:15:17

Bodies are complicated.

Paula: 00:15:18

I tell that to everybody.

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They are so complicated.

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They're so hard to figure out, and especially people, just the lay person.

Paula: 00:15:26

I mean, not everybody goes to the gym to exercise.

Paula: 00:15:30

I'm not-

Joshua: 00:15:31

I'm guilty as charged with that.

Paula: 00:15:32

Right?

Paula: 00:15:32

I'm not the personal trainer that's going to tell you, "You have to do this.

Paula: 00:15:36

You have to do that.", but just like you were talking about before, consistency

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is key so that it is that infinite, whatever, 1000%, 100%, where if you do

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a little bit every day, it adds up, so I like to think about it like if you're

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brushing your teeth for four minutes a day, you can also take care of your pelvic

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floor for four minutes a day and have similar results to brushing your teeth.

Paula: 00:16:02

You can keep the bad stuff away.

Joshua: 00:16:06

I know that you have just started this.

Paula: 00:16:08

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:16:08

And first off, I want to commend you for the fact that you're bringing

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some awareness to something that even I don't think about on my daily basis.

Joshua: 00:16:16

I'm thinking about, "Yeah.

Joshua: 00:16:17

I have to balance my checkbook.

Joshua: 00:16:19

I have to do the clothes and-

Paula: 00:16:21

Right.

Joshua: 00:16:21

Make sure I change the laundry, make sure I change my bed sheets.

Joshua: 00:16:24

Oh yeah.

Joshua: 00:16:24

I need to work on my pelvic area."

Joshua: 00:16:26

This is just something that you don't normally think about, so-

Paula: 00:16:29

Right.

Joshua: 00:16:30

My question is this.

Joshua: 00:16:31

I know there has to be people that are probably snickering right now,

Joshua: 00:16:35

and I know that all of us can be-

Paula: 00:16:36

Let them snicker.

Joshua: 00:16:37

Let them snicker.

Joshua: 00:16:38

That's absolutely true, but some of us are just saying, "Well, you know, I'm

Joshua: 00:16:43

not going to be old where I need to really worry about this", so when you

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tell people, "Well, you should start now", is there a reaction that you

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generally get, and if so, like how do you address that, because not only do I

Joshua: 00:16:55

find this fascinating, but I just feel like some people are very skeptical at

Joshua: 00:16:59

the same time and my podcast has always been about diffusing the skeptical and

Joshua: 00:17:05

just taking charge of being able to do the things that you need to do in order

Joshua: 00:17:09

to take care of business, and that's including this kind of business, so-

Paula: 00:17:13

For sure.

Joshua: 00:17:13

Yeah.

Paula: 00:17:14

So I'll give you two answers to that because there's

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two things that are coming to mind.

Paula: 00:17:18

One, if nothing else other than don't do kegels comes out of you

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listening to this, the other thing is get yourself a squatty potty.

Paula: 00:17:30

If there's nothing else you do to take care of your pelvic

Paula: 00:17:34

health, then get a Squatty Potty.

Paula: 00:17:37

If you bring your knees above your pelvis when you're having a bowel movement,

Paula: 00:17:42

then it puts your rectum, which is the exit door, the rectum comes through

Paula: 00:17:48

the tissue and the butt, it aligns everything properly so that the feces

Paula: 00:17:55

can pass through, so if nothing else, don't laugh because you have to poop.

Paula: 00:18:00

Everybody has to poop.

Joshua: 00:18:02

Yep.

Paula: 00:18:02

Right?

Joshua: 00:18:02

Yep.

Paula: 00:18:03

So there's that.

Paula: 00:18:04

The second answer to this is, nobody comes to me and says, "I need to be made aware

Paula: 00:18:12

of this", or "I didn't know about this."

Paula: 00:18:15

Everybody who has been drawn to me are people who feel like I do.

Paula: 00:18:22

They feel like they've either been through physical therapy or they

Paula: 00:18:25

need physical therapy, or physical therapy didn't work, or they don't

Paula: 00:18:29

know what to do with themselves.

Paula: 00:18:30

They're still peeing, they're still having pain.

Paula: 00:18:32

They're still having pain with sex.

Paula: 00:18:33

They can't have sex.

Paula: 00:18:35

There are so many things that I think, especially women don't talk about and

Paula: 00:18:43

don't have a recourse, like, let's just think about it for a second.

Paula: 00:18:46

A man can't have an erection.

Paula: 00:18:47

We have a pill for that.

Paula: 00:18:49

A woman is peeing her pants.

Paula: 00:18:51

Most every single mother who has had a child inside of her pees their pants.

Paula: 00:18:57

Almost all of them, like literally, how many times have you heard a mother tell

Paula: 00:19:02

their child, you're the reason I pee.

Paula: 00:19:04

I have-

Joshua: 00:19:04

I've heard that a lot growing up.

Paula: 00:19:06

I can't jump on the trampoline, right?

Joshua: 00:19:07

I'm sorry, mom, if you're listening to this,

Joshua: 00:19:09

I have heard you say that.

Joshua: 00:19:10

I'm just going to acknowledge that and I understand now from listening to Paula.

Joshua: 00:19:14

Go on, paula.

Paula: 00:19:15

So a lot of people, I think, are just drawn to my message

Paula: 00:19:20

because I'm talking about it.

Paula: 00:19:22

A lot of women are okay with saying, "Okay, yeah, I pee my pants, or I have

Paula: 00:19:25

to cross my legs when I sneeze, or this or that", but not many women are going

Paula: 00:19:30

to come out and say, "I can't have sex with my partner because it hurts to

Paula: 00:19:34

insert", or, "I can't poop because I have a fissure because when during childbirth,

Paula: 00:19:41

I ripped", or whatever the case may be.

Paula: 00:19:44

It's almost like the peeing thing is okay, but the other stuff not

Paula: 00:19:48

okay to talk about, and I'm here to tell you it's okay to talk about it.

Paula: 00:19:51

It's okay to be emotional about it, and it's okay to get help about it.

Joshua: 00:19:55

With that said, you provide coaching opportunities

Joshua: 00:19:59

for people like that, so-

Paula: 00:20:01

Yes.

Joshua: 00:20:02

Can you walk me through like what a typical conversation would be

Joshua: 00:20:05

for somebody that would be interested, just so that our audience sort of has

Joshua: 00:20:08

an understanding of, when we meet Paula-

Paula: 00:20:11

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:20:11

It isn't just about a vagina coach, it's about so much more, which

Joshua: 00:20:15

you have really gotten into the weeds.

Paula: 00:20:17

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:20:18

Literally the shit about-

Paula: 00:20:21

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:20:21

So I'm kind of curious how you do that.

Paula: 00:20:24

My ideal client is somebody who wants to come

Paula: 00:20:28

see me for personal training.

Paula: 00:20:30

I also offer yoga classes online and in person, and I am hoping to add,

Paula: 00:20:36

like you said, a coaching component.

Paula: 00:20:38

I have a beta program right now, which could very well be more than

Paula: 00:20:42

a beta program when this comes out.

Paula: 00:20:45

If you come to me and you say, I'm having X, Y, Z, typically, if it's

Paula: 00:20:52

something that has been pervasive and is affecting your quality of life, I'm

Paula: 00:20:58

going to want to see you one-on-one for at least 12 sessions, at least.

Paula: 00:21:03

It's probably going to take more like three to six months.

Paula: 00:21:07

We can address it as quickly or as slowly as you want, and it's also

Paula: 00:21:11

going to depend on are you going to do the homework that I give you.

Paula: 00:21:14

How invested are you in it?

Paula: 00:21:16

I do take on postpartum clients.

Paula: 00:21:19

I love working with them.

Paula: 00:21:21

I also take clients who are older.

Paula: 00:21:23

I just had a lady come in today who's 63.

Paula: 00:21:26

If you do come to me in person, I have a litany of questions I ask you.

Paula: 00:21:30

Nothing's off limits, because I'm not going to come home and talk to

Paula: 00:21:34

my husband about that information.

Paula: 00:21:35

I'm going to make a treatment plan based on what your answers to your questions

Paula: 00:21:40

are and how your body is moving.

Paula: 00:21:43

A lot of these things can actually be healed or minimized with exercise and I am

Paula: 00:21:49

trained to watch and see what's happening and figure out how to correct that.

Paula: 00:21:55

That's the nature of the certification that I have.

Paula: 00:21:57

The other thing is if you're just saying, "Oh, I need like a maintenance plan",

Paula: 00:22:02

or, "I kind of want to do this, but I'm not sure it's for me", or this or that,

Paula: 00:22:07

I have in-person yoga classes, I work at a yoga studio called Just Plain Yoga.

Paula: 00:22:12

On Thursday night at 5:30, we have a pelvic floor yoga class.

Paula: 00:22:16

It's pretty well attended.

Paula: 00:22:17

It's in the Camp Hill area and people come from all around to participate;

Paula: 00:22:23

Harrisburg area and surrounding.

Paula: 00:22:25

You can also take that online, so if you are further away, we do a hybrid model so

Paula: 00:22:31

you can take the class live and then you can have access to the video for 24 hours.

Paula: 00:22:37

With My Vagina Coach, I have another program that's

Paula: 00:22:41

called Morning Yoga Program.

Paula: 00:22:43

That's 10 to 15 minutes twice a day.

Paula: 00:22:45

That's like the brushing your teeth version, right?

Joshua: 00:22:48

Yep.

Paula: 00:22:49

And those are recorded and if you want to watch them, they're available

Paula: 00:22:55

to you with my membership for a month, so you'll get two lives a week with me

Paula: 00:23:01

on Zoom, and then the rest of the days of the week, like if you want to do it

Paula: 00:23:06

five days a week, you can have access to the video recordings and watch them and

Paula: 00:23:10

quote, unquote, brush your teeth with me.

Joshua: 00:23:15

Paula, I appreciate you sharing all that, because I think for

Joshua: 00:23:18

some people just having that access to it is really important so that-

Paula: 00:23:22

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:23:23

They can work on those sort of things as well, and it's all

Joshua: 00:23:26

about access and just being able to-

Paula: 00:23:28

Yes.

Joshua: 00:23:29

Provide not only the knowledge that you personally have

Joshua: 00:23:32

experienced; the firsthand accounts-

Paula: 00:23:34

mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:23:34

But even the people that you interact with and, which is my next

Joshua: 00:23:38

question, because I've worked with a lot of people since I've been open, and I

Joshua: 00:23:42

know that you've just started yourself.

Paula: 00:23:44

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:23:44

Is there somebody that comes to mind, and again, I always say to

Joshua: 00:23:47

people, please don't mention names.

Joshua: 00:23:49

You don't have to mention their names.

Paula: 00:23:50

Of course I won't.

Joshua: 00:23:51

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:23:51

Yeah, and I respect the confidentiality because I think that's really important

Joshua: 00:23:54

so that we can build that trust and relationship with people, but is there

Joshua: 00:23:58

somebody that stands out in your mind that you've already, in your short

Joshua: 00:24:02

time, started with this and said, "wow, I'm making a great impact and

Joshua: 00:24:07

that person was the reason why."

Joshua: 00:24:09

Can you elaborate a little bit on that feeling of euphoria or

Joshua: 00:24:12

what that person did to really achieve what they're going through?

Paula: 00:24:16

Yeah, so I have been working with a young lady, she's postpartum a year.

Paula: 00:24:23

She had twins.

Paula: 00:24:24

She was on bedrest, so a lot of strikes on her pelvic floor, her poor pelvic floor.

Paula: 00:24:30

She started with me.

Paula: 00:24:31

She was very down on herself.

Paula: 00:24:32

She had gained some weight.

Paula: 00:24:34

She was having a lot of problems, and the twins are getting bigger, they're

Paula: 00:24:37

active, they keep gaining weight, and she's not able to keep up with them.

Paula: 00:24:42

We've been working together about six months now, and she has made

Paula: 00:24:47

a lot of progress and I will tell you, she is very determined.

Paula: 00:24:53

She does all the homework, because she wants to get her body, quote unquote,

Paula: 00:24:59

back in shape, but really what she's doing is keeping up with her children.

Paula: 00:25:04

She's able to lift them at 20 pounds.

Paula: 00:25:07

She's going to be able to lift them when they turn 30 pounds.

Paula: 00:25:11

She's still going to be able to lift them when they turn 40 pounds

Paula: 00:25:14

because she's sticking with it.

Paula: 00:25:16

She's getting stronger and we've rehabbed her core, so basically, especially once

Paula: 00:25:21

you've been pregnant, if you think about a person from the side looking at them

Paula: 00:25:26

from the side, the rib cage goes up because there's a big baby bump, so like

Paula: 00:25:31

chest goes up, rib cage goes up, that's called rib flare, and then the pelvis

Paula: 00:25:37

tilts down because big baby bump, so just imagine a pregnant lady with a big

Paula: 00:25:42

belly, pelvis, turns down, ribcage, turns up, you have the babies, and guess what?

Paula: 00:25:48

Just because the babies aren't there anymore doesn't mean that stuff gets

Paula: 00:25:51

unstuck, so you have to do a lot of work rehabbing that and she has done

Paula: 00:25:55

a fantastic job and I'm super proud of her and all the gains that she has

Paula: 00:26:00

made, and it has been super rewarding to watch her use the tools that I've given

Paula: 00:26:06

her and get herself to a point where she's like, "I'm not fatigued when I

Paula: 00:26:12

take my babies to swim lessons anymore."

Joshua: 00:26:15

Is this different from being a doula?

Joshua: 00:26:17

I've heard that-

Paula: 00:26:18

Oh, yeah.

Joshua: 00:26:18

Term too.

Joshua: 00:26:19

Can you talk about that for our audience, because I know people

Joshua: 00:26:22

know what a doula is, but-

Paula: 00:26:23

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:26:24

Can you distinguish the difference between that, because

Joshua: 00:26:25

I think that's really important.

Paula: 00:26:27

I only know a little bit about what a doula is.

Paula: 00:26:31

A doula is a person who can help you through the birth.

Joshua: 00:26:34

Yes.

Paula: 00:26:35

Don't know if doulas help after the birth.

Joshua: 00:26:37

I'll help you.

Joshua: 00:26:38

I'll help you out.

Joshua: 00:26:39

WebMD.com mentions-

Paula: 00:26:40

Okay.

Paula: 00:26:40

Thank you.

Joshua: 00:26:41

That a doula is a person who provides emotional and physical support to

Joshua: 00:26:45

you during your pregnancy and childbirth.

Joshua: 00:26:47

They're not medical professionals.

Joshua: 00:26:49

They don't deliver the babies or provide medical care.

Paula: 00:26:52

Right.

Joshua: 00:26:52

But they have been trained, they usually pass an exam to help

Joshua: 00:26:56

women, pregnant women especially, and their families during that experience.

Paula: 00:27:00

Mm-hmm.

Paula: 00:27:00

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:27:00

So hopefully that helps a little bit.

Paula: 00:27:02

Yeah, so they're more, let's just say of a person who can help

Paula: 00:27:06

you through more emotionally or say, "Oh, I had this during my pregnancy.

Paula: 00:27:12

You're doing okay.

Paula: 00:27:13

This physical thing is okay", or whatever.

Paula: 00:27:14

They're not a doctor, they're not a trainer.

Paula: 00:27:17

They're not really a coach.

Paula: 00:27:18

They're doula.

Paula: 00:27:18

Did you know there's also death doulas, so you can have somebody go through

Paula: 00:27:22

death with you as well as birth?

Joshua: 00:27:25

I had no idea.

Paula: 00:27:26

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:27:26

And I've been learning a lot.

Joshua: 00:27:28

Apparently it wasn't just about vaginas, it was about death doulas.

Joshua: 00:27:31

Now I'm going to have to go Google that for my listeners.

Joshua: 00:27:34

I might have to put a link in about what a death doula is in case you're

Joshua: 00:27:37

interested, but I'm sorry, go on, Paula.

Joshua: 00:27:39

Yes.

Joshua: 00:27:40

I never heard of that before.

Joshua: 00:27:41

I'm going to go learn some more though.

Paula: 00:27:43

Well, I highly suggest interviewing a death doula.

Paula: 00:27:45

It's really interesting.

Paula: 00:27:47

A friend of mine became one, so I know more about death

Paula: 00:27:50

doula than I do birth doula.

Joshua: 00:27:52

Public service announcement real quick, if there is a death

Joshua: 00:27:54

doula listening to this episode, please get in contact with me.

Joshua: 00:27:58

podcast@yourspeakingvoice.biz.

Paula: 00:28:00

That's right.

Paula: 00:28:01

That's right.

Joshua: 00:28:02

Go ahead.

Paula: 00:28:02

So they actually, I guess, almost like hospice.

Paula: 00:28:05

If you know you're dying or even if you just think you're at the end of life,

Paula: 00:28:09

let's say you're 65, and you're like, "Okay, I want to have death doula just

Paula: 00:28:12

in case", they go through all your whole life with you, and they talk about

Paula: 00:28:18

your regrets and your accomplishments, like so many things that they can go

Paula: 00:28:22

through with you and sometimes they can help people really get a lot of

Paula: 00:28:26

resolution and I think sometimes when people get that resolution, especially

Paula: 00:28:31

when they're kind of on death's door, it gives them enough to kind of tap out.

Joshua: 00:28:36

Yeah.

Paula: 00:28:37

And say, "Okay, this is it."

Joshua: 00:28:39

Wow.

Paula: 00:28:40

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:28:41

Paula, we're near the end of our time, but-

Paula: 00:28:45

Let's talk more about vagina, come on!

Joshua: 00:28:47

Conveniently enough, we're near the end of our time here, but I do

Joshua: 00:28:51

want to give you the last few minutes.

Joshua: 00:28:52

Give us a nice recap because you've been awesome to just be so open

Joshua: 00:28:56

and share all this information.

Paula: 00:28:58

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:28:58

If people want to reach out to you and-

Paula: 00:29:00

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:29:01

Just learn more, maybe have more of a specific conversation with you

Joshua: 00:29:04

about somebody in their family, maybe something that they're going through-

Paula: 00:29:08

mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:29:08

Can you just tell us a little summary of your business and how

Joshua: 00:29:11

they can get in contact with you?

Joshua: 00:29:12

I'll give you the last few minutes.

Paula: 00:29:13

Thank you.

Paula: 00:29:14

If you go to my website right on the very front of my website, there's a

Paula: 00:29:18

little button where you can say, book a call, and that book's a 15 minute

Paula: 00:29:22

call with me and you can figure out if we're a good fit to work together,

Paula: 00:29:26

whether that's at a yoga class at Just Plain Yoga, in my morning yoga program

Paula: 00:29:31

like we talked about, where it's kind of like that maintenance, brushing your

Paula: 00:29:34

teeth type thing, or if you want to work with me one-on-one personal training.

Paula: 00:29:39

I currently don't have any clients via Zoom, but I'm not opposed to

Paula: 00:29:43

that, so if you're far away and you're listening to this, I can

Paula: 00:29:46

take clients on in that nature.

Paula: 00:29:49

I will also have my coaching program a little bit further through beta and it

Paula: 00:29:54

will be more of a personal training style coaching program with exercises that

Paula: 00:29:59

you can do to help your yourself out.

Paula: 00:30:01

Like I said, I am not a huge proponent of like exercise, exercise, exercise.

Paula: 00:30:06

My platform is actually I help Gen X women feel confident to exercise without

Paula: 00:30:13

judging themselves so that they can fix pelvic floor dysfunction through movement,

Paula: 00:30:20

so that's kind of my big platform.

Paula: 00:30:21

Stop judging yourself.

Paula: 00:30:23

You don't need to judge yourself.

Paula: 00:30:24

You don't have to be this size or have this amount of fat or

Paula: 00:30:27

look like this or have lashes.

Paula: 00:30:29

We just want you to not pee your pants.

Joshua: 00:30:33

Paula, first off, there has been many times in my life that I

Joshua: 00:30:38

thought, "Man, it'd be really cool to talk to somebody related to this

Joshua: 00:30:42

sort of thing", and there's been other times in my life I'm thinking, "Why

Joshua: 00:30:46

did I ever get myself into this?"

Joshua: 00:30:48

I've had a lot of mixture of emotions before I even hit the record

Joshua: 00:30:51

button, folks, about this whole interview, but Paula, I want to be

Joshua: 00:30:56

honest with you because I like to speak from the heart for a moment.

Paula: 00:30:59

Thank you.

Joshua: 00:30:59

There's a lot of people that go through this sort of stuff, and

Joshua: 00:31:03

they don't take it seriously, and for you to take it seriously, given what

Joshua: 00:31:08

your experience has been, and to do it in a way that helps others: bravo.

Joshua: 00:31:14

I really mean that because a lot of people can easily say, "Yeah, whatever.

Joshua: 00:31:20

I think I'm just going to pass on this and not really think about it", but when

Joshua: 00:31:25

we start to make decisions like that and we start to build that upon everything

Joshua: 00:31:29

that we ever do in our lives that, "Oh, we'll get to that later", or, "Eh, I'm

Joshua: 00:31:33

not interested", it starts to become our mindset, and I find that your mindset

Joshua: 00:31:39

is something that is impeccable because not many people would say, "I want to

Joshua: 00:31:44

play around with pee and poop", or, "I want to deal with all kinds of different

Joshua: 00:31:48

things that come from the body and all kinds of excrements", but here's the deal.

Joshua: 00:31:54

We all go through it.

Paula: 00:31:55

Yes.

Joshua: 00:31:55

And that's part of us being human, that-

Paula: 00:31:58

Yes.

Joshua: 00:31:58

Those are going to be uncomfortable subjects, but if we're

Joshua: 00:32:00

able to ask for help, that's what's truly important, and I think that

Joshua: 00:32:04

you are providing a service that is allowing people to have that hope,

Joshua: 00:32:09

and I want to give you some words of encouragement somebody that is

Joshua: 00:32:12

starting out myself as a business.

Joshua: 00:32:15

You talked earlier about the community and trying to form something like that

se there's not many out there: 00:32:19

do it.

se there's not many out there: 00:32:23

I'm not kidding.

se there's not many out there: 00:32:24

Do it, because it's so helpful to just surround yourself with people that have

se there's not many out there: 00:32:30

gone through it, or currently going through it, might be in the starting

se there's not many out there: 00:32:34

process of going through it, because they're still waiting for a diagnosis

se there's not many out there: 00:32:37

and you've dispelled a lot of myths on this episode about the importance of

se there's not many out there: 00:32:41

doing that, so for that, Paula, thank you for sharing your heart with us today.

se there's not many out there: 00:32:46

Thank you for Speaking From The Heart, and I really hope much success for

se there's not many out there: 00:32:51

you, not only in the continuing of your business, but to also captivate

se there's not many out there: 00:32:57

and dispel the myth that it's okay to talk about vaginas and talk about the

se there's not many out there: 00:33:02

pelvic area because if Josh Smith, this podcast host can do it, being a male-

Paula: 00:33:07

You can do it.

Joshua: 00:33:07

Anybody can do it, so thank you Paula.

Paula: 00:33:10

Thank you, I do, just real quick, now that you said that,

Paula: 00:33:14

I do have one community outreach program that I do that is free.

Joshua: 00:33:18

Great.

Paula: 00:33:18

It's a monthly book club.

Paula: 00:33:21

It's at Just Plain Yoga.

Paula: 00:33:22

It's on Thursday night, so if you want to come and go to my class and

Paula: 00:33:27

go to the book club, it's the fourth Thursday of the month and we read

Paula: 00:33:32

different either self-help books or books about sex or vaginas or menopause.

Paula: 00:33:38

We have on tap the Good Sex RX, the Vagina Bible, a couple Brene Brown books

Paula: 00:33:45

so far this year, if you check that out-

Joshua: 00:33:47

Brene Brown is my most favorite author ever, so I have a couple of

Joshua: 00:33:50

her books on my bookshelf behind me.

Paula: 00:33:52

Yes, maybe you'll come since it's only in Camp Hill.

Joshua: 00:33:55

It's true.

Paula: 00:33:56

On a Brene Brown month.

Joshua: 00:33:57

I'll tell you what, you send me the invitation.

Joshua: 00:34:00

I just might.

Paula: 00:34:01

Okay.

Joshua: 00:34:02

Paula, thank you again.

Joshua: 00:34:03

I appreciate it.

Paula: 00:34:04

You're welcome.

Paula: 00:34:05

Thank you.

Joshua: 00:34:06

I want to thank Paula again for being on the show and being the

Joshua: 00:34:10

most completely open person that I have ever interviewed or potentially ever

Joshua: 00:34:14

interview on Speaking From The Heart, because let's face it: did you know that

Joshua: 00:34:20

you had 28 muscles in your pelvic area?

Joshua: 00:34:24

I didn't.

Joshua: 00:34:25

Did you think that we would talk about Kegels and not doing them?

Joshua: 00:34:29

I didn't think so.

Joshua: 00:34:31

Did you think that we talk about rectums and vaginas?

Joshua: 00:34:35

I certainly thought in a million years that I would never have to

Joshua: 00:34:38

approach that subject, but here we are, but that's the deal.

Joshua: 00:34:43

Sometimes life throws amazingly difficult curve balls in which you have to

Joshua: 00:34:50

literally catch, and that's the whole thing is that Paula saw me laughing

Joshua: 00:34:56

so much during this before we even hit the record button, and she understood.

Joshua: 00:35:02

As a matter of fact, she was so understanding that she was even the one

Joshua: 00:35:05

calming me down before we even hit the record button, because it was one of those

Joshua: 00:35:10

subjects that you often don't hear about, but we all go through it and I know that

Joshua: 00:35:17

you listening to this, you might have somebody that you know, even if you're

Joshua: 00:35:22

not going through it, someone else is, and we have these generations that are

Joshua: 00:35:29

going through all kinds of different medical issues that, even in the last

Joshua: 00:35:33

century, we never saw would ever emerge.

Joshua: 00:35:37

Let's talk about the things that we do want to talk about then if we're really so

concerned about it: 00:35:41

cancer, heart disease, emphysema, heart palpitations, chronic

concerned about it: 00:35:50

heart failure, indigestion, Crohn's.

concerned about it: 00:35:55

Those are some of the many things that I've heard in my life with some

concerned about it: 00:35:58

of the family members that I have going through some of those things,

concerned about it: 00:36:02

but yet, do we laugh about that?

concerned about it: 00:36:06

Absolutely not.

concerned about it: 00:36:07

Why should we laugh about these sort of things, even if they

concerned about it: 00:36:10

are the most embarrassing?

concerned about it: 00:36:13

Now I get it.

concerned about it: 00:36:14

Maybe some of you listening to the episode are thinking, "Well, I

concerned about it: 00:36:17

wasn't laughing at all, so I don't know why you were laughing, Josh."

concerned about it: 00:36:21

Touche, touche, and I totally understand that, but yet, even with the things that

concerned about it: 00:36:29

we had to go through with this episode and talk about, and even though it made

concerned about it: 00:36:33

me uncomfortable, it made me feel sick to my stomach that we had to talk about it,

concerned about it: 00:36:38

it made me glad that we did talk about it.

ften ask the question then of: 00:36:42

What are some of the things that make us

ften ask the question then of: 00:36:46

absolutely sick of talking about, because we're so afraid of being unwilling to

ften ask the question then of: 00:36:51

share in those uncomfortable moments?

ften ask the question then of: 00:36:54

Paula is one of those guests that has now defined my whole entire podcasts because

ften ask the question then of: 00:37:01

she has been able to share some things that often we don't want to talk about.

ften ask the question then of: 00:37:07

We often feel discouraged because if we did share it with somebody, it would be

ften ask the question then of: 00:37:11

so embarrassing that that other person would never feel the same way again.

ften ask the question then of: 00:37:17

It isn't about maturity because sure, maybe I needed to grow up a bit, but

ften ask the question then of: 00:37:23

yet at the same time, it's about the maturity of knowing that we all go

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through these different experiences and having the respect, no matter

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where we're at with those situations, is what's so vitally important.

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Now it's true.

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I have clients that come through the door and do talk about some of the

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most embarrassing things in their lives, but it's not about pee or poop.

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It's not about vaginas or dicks.

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It's not about all those different types of body organs that we often giggle about

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we often don't say, because we know that it can be viewed as being very, very

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embarrassing and not appropriate, but did you know that there was a death doula?

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I didn't know that either, and here we are at the very end of the

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episode talking about death doulas.

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I had no idea that people would do that to make their end of life more

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comfortable, but that's the thing.

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Don't judge, because you don't know where those people have come from.

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It's so easy to fall into the trap of judging, and it's in the same category

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as being able to make a stereotype about someone or some class of people, and you

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know that not all people are the same way.

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We're all unique as I even said in a more recent episode with one of my

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guests, talking about the fact that we all have a unique identity in which

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we can share, that we can create, and that we're able to do what is necessary

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or what is really the priority.

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We have to find ways in which we have to adapt, even if that means we have

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to get our old squatty potty out and do it the way that we learned going back

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to basics, and that's what I truly most utterly respect about Paula and anything

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else that she said in this episode, whether you agree with it or not,

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because these are the things that allow us to understand the human condition.

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This allows us to understand that there can be relief from the different

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types of things that we go through.

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These are the things that allow us to perform the exercises that can

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be life altering and change the outcome of the rest of our lives.

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That's exactly what I do for my clients, whether that is through life coaching,

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whether that is through business development, whether that is through

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professional development, whether that is being a better public speaker.

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Those are the things that we're able to create quality for, and even if we

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have those setbacks, just like Paula did for many, many, many years, we

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can still stand up and know that we are able to walk confidently forward

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working through some of the most embarrassing things that often we don't

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realize are happening to each other.

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We need to have more awareness.

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We need to pay attention.

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It is just one of those things that we've even talked about in some of the more

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earlier episodes of this podcast, and it's all about being an active listener,

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but now Paula has taken it to a new stage in which I have to elaborate more on

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because it's not just the active listening in which you are able to discuss and

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articulate what that other person said because you've been paying attention.

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It means about fully understanding; living in that person's shoes for one minute,

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and knowing that you can go through that experience of feeling uncomfortable.

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In Toastmasters, we have something quite like that called a Table Topic.

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If you ever visit a Toastmasters Club as a guest, you'll always have that opportunity

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to do that, in which you speak one minute extemporaneously about a subject that

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is given to you, and for those that have never tested that theory before of trying

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to speak for one minute, especially if you have never done it before, it is

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the most uncomfortable, embarrassing thing that you ever thought possible.

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You almost want to sit down and be forgotten.

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You'd wish that you never got called on or even volunteered because

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guests are optional in participating.

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If you think that's embarrassing, if you think that that's really

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discouraging, then I think then you really understand why I did this

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episode then in the first place.

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I could have said to Paula, "No way.

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Why would I ever have a business called My Vagina Coach on Speaking From The Heart?

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Do I speak from my vagina?

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No, I speak from my mouth.

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It's not in the pelvic area", but that's the whole point of this.

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We all know that we can be very uncomfortable with some of the things

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that we normally don't want to do, and Paula is testing that theory and

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pushing it to become more comfortable.

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She is the epitome of what this is all about: being able to become

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comfortable with the uncomfortable.

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Being able to learn from the different varieties of different

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opportunities that we have in our lives.

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This is what it's all about because we can do this.

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If we're willing to do this, we can learn from each other.

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We can push through.

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We don't have to judge.

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We can work those 28 muscles in a pelvic area and be even more healthy

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than we ever thought possible.

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That is why this was the most important episode yet to do, because

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we are learning to not do this alone.

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We are learning that we have to give ourselves the priority.

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We know that the longer that we feel embarrassed and afraid, we're never going

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to make progress, but what if we just took us short amount of time and we worked

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on ourselves just a little bit each day?

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Those days turn into weeks.

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Those weeks turn into months.

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Those months turn into a year of improving ourselves, and that is the most

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important thing that we could ever do to treat ourselves, not only with respect,

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but with confidence, relationships, and determination combined into the

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ultimate best version of ourselves.

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That is what makes this truly important.

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Thanks for listening to episode number 39 of Speaking from the Heart, and

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again, thank you so much to all the businesses featured on these Wednesday

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episodes, and I look forward to hearing from your heart very soon.

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