Episode #70 - Defining Roles (Outside) Of Television & Movies In Our Lives: An Interview With Bill Groves

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination, all converge into an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Welcome back to episode number 70 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today we have a guest from the BuzzSprout community, Bill Groves.

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Bill is originally from Tulsa, Oklahoma, in which he has a degree in theater.

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He was a crew member on the production of Francis Ford Coppola's movie, Rumble

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Fish, which was also filmed in Tulsa.

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Since then, he has moved to Los Angeles, California, where he lived for over 25

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years, and then moved to Houston, Texas where he currently resides, in 2012.

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He also is the creator and host of Movie Nights and Matinees podcast, which we

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talk about a little bit in this episode, and in the mid nineties, he created the

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quarterly magazine, Television Chronicles.

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Previous careers that he's had is working in a video store,

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working at Warner Brothers in the theatrical legal department and

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then in the corporate archive.

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He also worked as a radio nightclub DJ and then managed a movie theater, which for

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him, I really got into a little bit about all these variety of different careers

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and really what led him into continuing to talk about movies and also dealing

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with the different types of experiences that he had working with the movie Rumble

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Fish, which in itself, has some great connections to other movies too that were

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filmed around that time, and I got to learn a little bit more about something

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that even my mother would probably enjoy, because for me growing up, I enjoyed

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having some opportunities to listen to a lot of different movies, although some

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of them were really terrible, but I think that we can all learn from those terrible

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experiences to turn a young passion into something that we truly love to do.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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We're here with Bill Groves.

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Bill, thanks for sharing your heart with us today.

Bill: 00:02:04

Oh, no problem.

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I flicked the box on my driver's license donor card thing, so I'm ready to go.

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You're the first person to point that out, that yes, especially in the

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United States, that is a designation in itself, and you do give your heart

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out when you do put that down on your driver's license; good for you.

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Thank you.

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But Bill, I want to thank you so much.

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You're a part of the group of people that connected with me through the BuzzSprout

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Community Facebook page, and I really appreciate you, responding to the call

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of having some guests, and I'm really privileged to have you on this show,

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and that really leads me into my first question because the audience heard your

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impressive background and I wanted to know a little bit about what got you started

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in the film industry to kick us off.

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Well, started in the film industry.

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I don't know; that phrase is maybe a little misleading because

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I never really hit the ground in the film industry as such.

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Let's see.

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I've had an interest in movies for many years.

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I did student films in high school, one of which ended up winning an award in

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a local amateur film festival, and I had anticipated that I would eventually

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have a career in film; wanted to direct probably using writing as a means to that.

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I wrote a screenplay for a college class which was nice, but I never

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really landed in the industry as such.

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Now I moved to Southern California and a kid from Oklahoma moving to Southern

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California with stars in his eyes, so to speak, and as soon as you get

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there, it becomes all about survival.

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Yeah.

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Getting a job, finding a place to live, feeding yourself, paying some rent,

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so the closest I came to being in the film industry, I ended up working in a video

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store and I actually met a number of movie and TV stars; a couple of rock and roll

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celebrities, things like that, but that didn't really lead to anything in terms

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of the industry and even when I got a job eventually at Warner Brothers, I was

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working as a, well, initially I was in a clerk position in home video royalties,

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but the bulk of my time there, I ended up as a legal secretary in theatrical legal

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department eventually getting a job in my last few years were spent in the corporate

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archive, which is kind of like working in a giant attic where stuff gets stored:

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props, set pieces, costumes, documents like scripts, and things like that get

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stored there, and that was interesting.

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I've got some fun photos of my time there, but the only time I really got

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into the film industry as such, well there's one I'm going to skip over, but

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you do enough research, you'll find out, but primarily it was the summer of 82.

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Francis Ford Coppola was making Rumble Fish in Tulsa, my hometown, and this

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was the third movie in a row to be filmed there based on a novel by S.E.

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Hinton, or as I call her, Suzie.

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Disney did texts, and then very shortly after that, Coppola came along to

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do The Outsiders, and I think it was early in the process of making that

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that he read the book Rumble Fish and decided he wanted to make that one too.

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It's a very different type of movie.

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I had tried to get a job on text; I didn't succeed, although a

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college friend of mine did get a nice little supporting role in it.

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I tried again on The Outsiders without success, and then Rumble Fish came along

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and I was working in a restaurant, and it's one of these restaurants where the

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white staff do characters, and I was doing Groucho, and to this day, I firmly

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believe I was the best Groucho they ever had because there was a time shortly after

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I discovered the Marx Brothers, I don't know, late junior high, early high school.

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I was so into them, I don't know how people could stand to be around me.

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Yeah.

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But in any case, I knew the material, I knew the characters, and I

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did it as authentically as I think it was possible to do it, and did well with

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it, well long comes a guy one evening and he actually was from Oklahoma City

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as it turned out, and he was going to be the location manager on Rumble Fish,

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and somehow I probably broke character somewhere in order to communicate this,

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but I let him know that I had tried to get a job on The Outsiders without

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success, and he was able to get me on board as his assistant, so I effectively

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became assistant location manager, even though my production credit is just one

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of several production aides, and he told me that normally that would be a union

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position, and that if any union people objected that he'd have to let me go.

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Thankfully, that didn't happen, so I spent the summer working on Rumble

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Fish, but I mean there's various stories that I can tell about that time.

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I don't necessarily know that you want them all crammed in here, but in terms

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of my start, shall we say, in the film industry, well that was kind of my

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start and stop, I guess you could say.

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Sure, and that's why I purposely asked you that question in

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the way I did, because I think for some of us, we often think, "Oh yeah.

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I'm going to go to Hollywood.

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I'm going to be able to be this big star, whether that's being an actor,

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actress", or on the other side of it, which other people do, "Oh,

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I'm going to be part of the crew.

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I'm going to be a production person.

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I'm going to be a writer", and I've known a few people myself from high

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school that have been able to go out.

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They've been able to write a little bit and actually have their scripts then

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submitted to Hallmark, which then they produced some of their movies as well,

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so I say that, in a very broad term, because of not only the things that you've

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done and later in life, but the fact that you actually had this opportunity

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just kind of out of the blue in a way because of some of what you've shared,

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and I really am excited about it, and just full disclosure from my audience,

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if you never watched the movie Rumble Fish, I will put a link in the episode

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notes for you to go check it out and learn a little bit about the premise of

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it, but Bill, just in case people don't want to do that, can you just give us

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a 30,000 foot view about what the movie Rumble Fish is about, which obviously

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was directed by Francis Ford Coppola.

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Well, it's about an hour and a half, and one thing I didn't mention was I had

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a theater degree and it was performance, so I was trained to be an actor.

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It's just that I didn't want to go up against those kinds of odds.

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I figured that trying to pursue an acting career would interfere with too

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many of my hobbies, like eating, but as far as Rumble Fish goes, the approach

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that he indicated, I recently saw a YouTube interview where he's talking

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about Rumble Fish, and he wanted, after doing The Outsiders, which was a very

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popular film with teenagers, I remember it was in our junior high library, S.B.

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Hinton, the first two books, The Outsiders, and that was then, this

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is now and I didn't read them.

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It just wasn't subject matter I was that interested in, but it really did

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click with a lot of kids that age, and it was a group of school kids actually

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that wrote to Coppola originally said, "This is our favorite book.

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We think you should make a movie of it", and that's what ultimately led him to make

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the movie, so he made this movie and it's got heartwarming elements in it and things

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like that, but he decided he wanted to do something that would be more artistic,

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more of an art film for teenagers, so he took a more artistic, stylized approach to

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Rumble Fish; shot it in black and white.

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Mm.

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There's some minimal color effects in it, but that's designed

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to reflect kind of the worldview of a central character played by

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Mickey Rourke, who is colorblind.

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Wow.

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It's about the relationship of these two brothers who have grown up on the

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proverbial wrong side of the tracks, and there's references to previous days where

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there had been a lot of gang activity.

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They'd been in gangs and Mickey Rourke's character, the motorcycle boy was this

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highly respected leader of this one gang, and he apparently at one point just

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stopped doing it and disappeared, and Matt Dilon plays his younger brother, Rusty

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James, who kind of idolized his older brother and he keeps trying in the film

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to convince not only himself but other people that when he gets a little older,

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he's going to be just like motorcycle boy, and he's anticipating getting

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that kind of a reputation, that kind of respect, and it's clear that he's not.

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It's kind of a bleak landscape.

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Honestly, I was not that crazy about it.

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I read the book once I learned I was going to be working on it, because I had not

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read any of her books and I was impressed with the writing and the story, but I

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thought the movie shortchanged it in terms of just kind of the soul of the story.

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There's a character named Steve who is played by Vincent Spano who's a kind

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of a nerdy best friend since early childhood of Rusty James, and he serves

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in the book as the, well, I want to say Greek chorus, but for those who were not

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theater majors, think Jiminy Cricket.

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Okay.

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I wasn't a theater major, so that really helps me a lot.

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Yep.

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Yeah, and his perspective in the book is very important, and you get

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some of it in the film, but not with the same kind of depth and impact, and so

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I thought that was one thing that was kind of lacking in the adaptation, but

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I think it's a worthwhile film and it's got a very strong cult following, and

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it's one of those where you find that there are fans in certain countries that

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just love it beyond those in others.

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Yeah.

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No, that's true, and especially even nowadays, I kind of think

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of the adaptation of going from digital music back to vinyl records.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's sort of that same sort of premise, except that some of the

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older films really had some deep story making happening, and even some director

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techniques like you mentioned, because I didn't realize that he filmed a lot

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of that in black and white because of the context of the character in which

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he was going throughout the story and as you were talking about the premise

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of this, Bill, I'm sort of comparing it to some of the things that you were even

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mentioning earlier about some of the things that you have adapted with the

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film industry, your short-lived career.

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Do you feel that if you were to stick into, and I know this is actually

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a big hypothetical question and I'm really probably taking you a little

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bit out of context a bit, but I want to really dig into this a bit.

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If you would've been able to stay in the film industry and been able to

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maybe find your role, do you feel that maybe the successes of things such as

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Rumble Fish and The Outsiders, things of that nature, would've propelled you

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into a completely different direction?

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What do you think?

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I mean, I think for me, hearing what you said, like it would've been

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awesome for you to be able to do that.

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I probably would not be talking to you today because of maybe the success that

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you have, perhaps, but do you think that that would've changed a little

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bit of the direction you would've gone in your life, and if so, why?

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I probably would've been a complete mess if I had stayed in the industry,

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quite frankly, just because knowing myself and the various pros and cons

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of my personality and vulnerabilities and sensitivities, things like

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that, I think that; I don't know.

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I know there were certain things that I would've liked to have done as a

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filmmaker, but just stepping back and looking at the industry as a whole

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and the kind of personalities that are involved in it that often are

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the ones that are steering the ship.

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I'm just thankful for the life I have now and the experiences I've had.

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They may not have been what I thought I wanted at that time, but I've

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got so many cool memories to look back on and interesting things that

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I've done and places I've gone.

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I just think that if I'd gotten caught up in that, it probably would've been

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guiding me rather than me guiding it.

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Ooh, that's pretty deep in itself because I think that sometimes we run

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that tide that kind of goes through life, right, and some people like to go

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in the direction of where that tide is, but others are like, "Wait a moment.

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I got to resist this because I want to go a completely different direction",

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and I feel like my whole life has been a series of that as well, but I think I

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mentioned that because I also noticed, and I even shared that in the mid nineties,

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you actually created a quarterly magazine called the Television Chronicles.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I noticed some of the names of the people that you've

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interviewed, like Stan Lee, the former Dick Clark, who unfortunately is

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no longer with us, Richard Donner.

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I mean, those are people, that in their heyday, were just legendary people in

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itself, so I'm wondering if you could talk to us a little bit about the Television

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Chronicles how you got about getting that idea off the ground, because I

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noticed that you had a friend that was part of this sort of process to help

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you get it off the ground, but also what did you think you learned from that as

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opposed to what you probably would've learned in what you just answered as

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to this alternate reality, if you will, of being part of the film industry?

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Do you feel like you had more control over the Television Chronicles is

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more specifically my question to you.

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More control as opposed to what I would've had if I'd

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stayed in the film industry?

Joshua: 00:16:21

Correct.

Bill: 00:16:21

Yeah, I would say definitely, so in part, and it was a two-edged sword because

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it was essentially a two-man operation.

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I came up with the concept and did most of the execution and my friend

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basically put up the money and so I was able to direct it how I wanted.

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The downside of that is it was a two-man operation, and without being enough of

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an entity to have someone say, "Okay, here, your job is to line up advertisers.

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Let's get some income coming in", things like that; so much of that was on me.

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I was limited and I still had my day job.

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I was working at Warner Brothers during that time, so we didn't have the resources

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to really push it over the top in terms of any kind of profitability, but I

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really learned a lot in terms of skills.

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I learned a lot in terms of developing my research skills, interview skills,

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although once I started doing my podcast, there was another profound lesson to

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be learned, and that is the difference between doing an interview for research

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purposes versus doing one that's going to be listened to by an audience.

Joshua: 00:17:42

Yes.

Bill: 00:17:43

Very different animal, and that was, and I mentioned earlier, just

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being thankful for the way things went.

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I got to meet people like Lloyd Bridges, Robert Culp, Ron Ely, Richard Donner

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was a phone interview, so I did several interesting phone interviews, but being

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able to interview Stan Lee was a treat because, as I told him when I met him,

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I attributed a good percentage of my literacy, degree of literacy, to him from

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having read Marvel Comics growing up.

Joshua: 00:18:11

Wow.

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That goes to my heart because, literally, and I know that this is an audio

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podcast, but behind me, Bill, there's a couple of instances of some Captain

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America characters in which I enjoy.

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I actually have his shield that; it isn't officially the shield, but a replica

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shield in which I use to really make a point, especially in my coaching business

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sometimes too with my clients, that you have the shield, what are you going to do

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with it, and the shield isn't just more of protection, it's a symbol of something,

Joshua: 00:18:41

so I bet that was really fascinating in itself to probably talk to Stan Lee.

Bill: 00:18:46

Yeah, it was.

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He was the most amazing multitasker I've ever seen because as I'm interviewing

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him, and he was running a little bit late.

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He had, I don't know, a dentist appointment or something, but he's

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sitting there and I'm asking him these questions and he's looking at

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phone messages and emails and things like that, but never missing a beat

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in terms of answering my questions.

Joshua: 00:19:08

Wow.

Bill: 00:19:09

And he even was nice enough, I think there was something I forgot to

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ask him during the interview and I called his office and left the questionnaire

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and he was nice enough to call and leave a message with the answer to my

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question, so yeah, that was very cool.

Joshua: 00:19:24

I'm really curious about this next question because as you were talking

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about even just the people that you've had on the Television Chronicles, when

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you were doing that, it made me think about probably the wide cast of different

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people that you've met in your life.

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Who do you say in that big realm, which again, using the term film industry,

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which seems to be the black sheep of this conversation, because we know that it

Joshua: 00:19:47

was a very small piece of it, but Bill, I think it made some profound influences

Joshua: 00:19:51

in what you do even now, what you're going to get into in a little bit about

Joshua: 00:19:54

with your podcast, what do you say is probably that one person that stood out

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to you in your mind is like, "Oh my gosh.

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This was awesome to meet this person and talk to", whether that was unofficially

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or officially, who's that one person that stands out to you and why?

Bill: 00:20:08

I would say Robert Culp.

Joshua: 00:20:10

Hmm.

Bill: 00:20:11

Couple of reasons.

Bill: 00:20:12

For one thing, just as an actor, he's one of these guys that if he is in

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a scene, he grabs your attention and owns the scene and so having in my

Bill: 00:20:28

childhood watched I Spy, that was one of my favorite shows in the sixties, and

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anything else I saw him in, whether it was a guest spot on Man From Uncle or

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The Rifleman or something like that, he just had this presence and so getting to

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meet him was a thrill in and of itself.

Bill: 00:20:43

I met him when, for the magazine, and incidentally, I didn't really

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talk about what the magazine was.

Bill: 00:20:47

It was essentially a look at TV series of the past and it could be long past,

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to quote Charles Dickens, or something that had been canceled last week,

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just as long as it was no longer in production, and for the third issue,

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I did a piece on a Western that he did called Track Down which only ran

Bill: 00:21:06

two seasons, but it spun off Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen.

Joshua: 00:21:09

Oh, yeah.

Joshua: 00:21:10

Dead or Alive.

Joshua: 00:21:11

Yep.

Bill: 00:21:11

So anyway, that was the why I interviewed him and we do a profile

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on the series, it's development, history and so forth, and then we

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would include an episode guide.

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Anyway, so I'm there to interview him for Track Down, and we sit down and

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almost the first thing he says to me, he says, "So Bill, tell me about yourself."

Bill: 00:21:32

They just took me so by surprise, but I thought, "Wow, what a guy.

Bill: 00:21:36

What a nice thing to lead off with.", so yeah, he made quite an

Bill: 00:21:41

impression on me there, and then when he became a recurring character in

Bill: 00:21:47

the sitcom, Everybody Loves Raymond.

Joshua: 00:21:48

Mm-hmm.

Bill: 00:21:49

I was working on the Warner lot.

Bill: 00:21:51

When I saw on the call sheets that he was going to be doing a spot on there.

Bill: 00:21:55

There were several times when I walked over on my lunch hour and knocked on

Bill: 00:21:59

his dressing room door and sat and chatted with him a little bit, but

Bill: 00:22:02

yeah, he, I think is probably the one who made the biggest impression on me.

Joshua: 00:22:08

Were you surprised by his reaction to you initially, because

Joshua: 00:22:11

you had that surprise, it sounds like, to me, that he was really that sort

Joshua: 00:22:15

of friendly demeanor type person.

Joshua: 00:22:18

Were you surprised by that?

Bill: 00:22:20

Well, I think some of the surprise is that there was somebody working in the

Bill: 00:22:24

legal department who had told me that at least he was under the impression that

Bill: 00:22:29

Kulp had done drugs and just really messed himself up and was kind of the show, so

Bill: 00:22:36

I was expecting to be greeted at the door by a Vincent Price character or something.

Joshua: 00:22:40

Mm.

Bill: 00:22:41

And so that wasn't the case.

Bill: 00:22:43

He seemed very cool, together, and so there was that, but then, and this

Bill: 00:22:49

happened with really nobody else that I interviewed during that time, although

Bill: 00:22:54

he would've been one of the earlier ones since it was the third issue, but in

Bill: 00:22:57

any case, just being that amiable coming out of the gate, I was not expecting.

Joshua: 00:23:03

Yeah, that could be surprising.

Joshua: 00:23:05

I think sometimes we have this perception that some people have this wall of

Joshua: 00:23:09

invisibility that we can't touch them, we can't talk to them, but rarely you

Joshua: 00:23:13

don't know until you try or even right when you have that interaction with

Joshua: 00:23:17

somebody too, and I think that it's more prevalent in the celebrity sense,

Joshua: 00:23:21

which is why I really wanted to ask you about, because it did sound surprising

Joshua: 00:23:25

to me that somebody like Robert Culp would give you that time of day, but yet

Joshua: 00:23:29

here he is, like he's talking to you and yeah, never judge a book by its cover.

Bill: 00:23:34

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:23:35

Most definitely, so Bill, I want to talk a little bit about your podcast.

Joshua: 00:23:39

For those that are interested, I'll put the link in the episode notes too.

Joshua: 00:23:42

It's about Movie Nights and Matinees, correct?

Joshua: 00:23:45

That's the title?

Bill: 00:23:46

That's the title.

Bill: 00:23:46

Movie Nights and Matinees.

Joshua: 00:23:47

Yeah, so tell us a little bit about the podcast itself and kind

Joshua: 00:23:50

of how you got it to be what it is.

Bill: 00:23:54

Well, as I say, if you listen to episode zero, it's kind of an

Bill: 00:23:58

introduction and I talk about some of my background and so forth.

Bill: 00:24:03

It just seemed like something I have all this otherwise useless information

Bill: 00:24:09

in my head, partially from research I've done in the past, otherwise,

Bill: 00:24:14

just being a general movie buff and having read a lot on the subject.

Bill: 00:24:18

Seen tons of movies over the years, and I am in what's officially considered

Bill: 00:24:24

old fart category at this point, so there's been a lot accumulated there,

Bill: 00:24:28

and as I say, no one will play Trivial Pursuit with me twice, so, how can

Bill: 00:24:33

I put this to some good use, so I thought, "Well, you know, I'm maybe a

Bill: 00:24:38

podcast will be kind of fun and give me the opportunity to talk to some more

Bill: 00:24:42

people that I haven't been able to."

Bill: 00:24:44

Actually, I was saddened, now I know this isn't going to be timely for when

Bill: 00:24:49

this comes out, but I was really saddened that Alan Arkin just died because he is

Bill: 00:24:54

one who was way up at the top of people I would've loved to have interviewed.

Joshua: 00:24:58

Yeah, yeah.

Joshua: 00:24:59

Sorry for his loss too.

Joshua: 00:25:01

Yeah, I just read about that myself.

Joshua: 00:25:02

To really put that in perspective, I mean, some people definitely having those

Joshua: 00:25:06

legendary careers are certainly idols that we look up to as well, and that

Joshua: 00:25:11

what would've been awesome to interview them, but I know that for you and even

Joshua: 00:25:16

this film genre that you kind of in a way invested in quite a number of years

Joshua: 00:25:21

about, especially when it comes to your theatre background more specifically,

Joshua: 00:25:26

what would you say to somebody, especially now that you're interviewing people that

Joshua: 00:25:31

have made it in that sort of career or have done different types of things,

Joshua: 00:25:36

what if one of my listeners right now is one of those aspiring individuals?

Joshua: 00:25:39

I mean, I know that it's really tough, as the recording of this, the writer

Joshua: 00:25:43

strike has been continuing to go on too, which has been something that I've been

Joshua: 00:25:48

following myself about what the demands are, why those came to be what they are.

Joshua: 00:25:53

I know that it can be very tough to penetrate, which you even

Joshua: 00:25:56

have talked about yourself, but I think that we still need that sort

Joshua: 00:26:00

of creative area of our lives.

Joshua: 00:26:02

What would you say to somebody that might be going through that sort of

Joshua: 00:26:07

process and wants to try to get involved, whether that's being in front of the

Joshua: 00:26:12

camera or being behind the camera.

Joshua: 00:26:14

Do you have any advice for somebody?

Joshua: 00:26:15

I asked this question because I noticed that you still do theater to this day,

Joshua: 00:26:19

so it's something that I think that has some connection, maybe not directly, but

Joshua: 00:26:24

I think that there's still some principles to be learned from some people that really

Joshua: 00:26:28

want to do that, so any advice for them?

Bill: 00:26:32

I think the best advice; well, maybe two pieces of advice.

Bill: 00:26:35

One, don't let it make you someone you're not.

Joshua: 00:26:41

Mm.

Bill: 00:26:41

Remember that it is make believe.

Bill: 00:26:44

The other thing is do it because it's something you enjoy, presumably

Bill: 00:26:50

you're good at, not because it's something you have to do.

Joshua: 00:26:55

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:26:57

Mm-hmm.

Joshua: 00:26:57

Yeah.

Joshua: 00:26:58

I'm like absorbing that myself.

Joshua: 00:27:00

It's almost like working through the bloodstream here and I'm thinking,

Joshua: 00:27:03

"Yeah, sometimes we do things that we absolutely just don't want to do", but

Joshua: 00:27:07

yeah, sometimes we have to do that, but at the same token, if we're doing that

Joshua: 00:27:11

for the rest of our lives, that's not going to help us in any sort of form.

Bill: 00:27:14

Yeah, I mean, I think of Paul Newman.

Bill: 00:27:16

Paul Newman is not someone who let the industry ultimately

Bill: 00:27:23

dominate and rule over him.

Bill: 00:27:26

He was able to step away from it to the degree that he wanted to do

Bill: 00:27:31

other things and step back into it when he felt like it and there was

Bill: 00:27:35

something that he wanted to do.

Joshua: 00:27:38

And Paul Newman, again, it's one of those individuals that I think of; I

Joshua: 00:27:42

mean, I was not of that timeframe when he was really in his heyday, but even

Joshua: 00:27:47

after I was born and able to really dive into a lot of his movies, I saw how the

Joshua: 00:27:52

development of those characters really wasn't because of some sort of status quo.

Joshua: 00:27:57

He was actually defined them in his own way with his own sort of

Joshua: 00:28:00

thought into that, which I think for anybody that is going to be in that

Joshua: 00:28:05

field, being able to step outside of that is so important so that you

Joshua: 00:28:09

can make your mark on that as well.

Joshua: 00:28:13

What would you say to, and I don't know, I'm thinking of this other question too,

Joshua: 00:28:17

to kind of wrap up as well, but what would you say is somebody that even to

Joshua: 00:28:23

this day; I know you talked about Robert Culp a little bit, but I might be looking

Joshua: 00:28:28

for somebody else that maybe has inspired you to do what you're doing even today.

Joshua: 00:28:32

Is there somebody that you look up to, even in your long career of just

Joshua: 00:28:38

studying film or even being part of that industry as a whole that you

Joshua: 00:28:42

would say has done or made that mark?

Joshua: 00:28:45

I mean, can you think of someone other than Paul Newman that's maybe

Joshua: 00:28:49

has been an inspiration for you and why is that person an inspiration?

Bill: 00:28:55

In terms of an actor?

Bill: 00:28:58

I don't know that anyone has ever impacted me on a really deep personal level as

Bill: 00:29:05

a role model or anything like that.

Bill: 00:29:07

I'm a huge Buster Keaton fan.

Joshua: 00:29:09

Mm.

Bill: 00:29:10

There's that.

Bill: 00:29:12

Apart from that, some memory that comes to mind is in the Los Angeles area.

Bill: 00:29:17

They have the silent movie theater and it's kind of evolved and the place is

Bill: 00:29:22

still there, but it's run by someone else, and I think they show silent movies

Bill: 00:29:27

every once in a while, but I started going there, so again, this would've

Bill: 00:29:32

been in the nineties as well, and I think they were having a week of films by F.W.

Bill: 00:29:38

Murnau who did Nosferatu, Faust, Sunrise, and I believe it was a showing of Faust,

Bill: 00:29:45

and I was there, sat down, looked over, couple seats away as Jeffrey Rush.

Joshua: 00:29:50

Wow.

Bill: 00:29:51

And I had a nice old chat with him, and there's a thing I admire

Bill: 00:29:57

about him, and that is he is acclaimed as a really great actor, and I don't

Bill: 00:30:02

know of anyone who would dispute that; he's done some amazing work, but he

Bill: 00:30:07

doesn't take himself too seriously.

Bill: 00:30:10

He doesn't take himself so seriously that he doesn't take some

Bill: 00:30:13

roles that are clearly just fun.

Bill: 00:30:17

House on Haunted Hill; Mystery Men, that kind of thing.

Bill: 00:30:20

Some things that are just downright goofy.

Joshua: 00:30:25

It's really about changing the perspective, and I It sounds

Joshua: 00:30:28

like those are the people that you're looking for that really are

Joshua: 00:30:30

the inspiration, I'm taking it.

Bill: 00:30:33

Yeah.

Bill: 00:30:33

I mean, I think that's a big thing.

Bill: 00:30:34

Just don't take yourself too seriously.

Joshua: 00:30:38

Man.

Joshua: 00:30:39

If I could have had that advice at least 15 years ago in my life, I probably would

Joshua: 00:30:43

be leading a completely different track.

Joshua: 00:30:44

Not saying that I don't regret my choices in life, but it has certainly

Joshua: 00:30:49

could have had some profound influence, but I really appreciate that Bill.

Bill: 00:30:52

Hey, you should have called.

Joshua: 00:30:53

Yeah, I know, right?

Joshua: 00:30:54

I should have, yeah; should have looked you up in the Los Angeles area

Joshua: 00:30:57

at the time, right, so Bill, I want to give you the last few minutes.

Joshua: 00:31:01

Again, can you repeat your podcast title, where we can access it, and anything

Joshua: 00:31:06

else that you'd like to share about yourself that the audience should know?

Joshua: 00:31:09

I'm going to give you the last few minutes, and maybe they want to

Joshua: 00:31:11

contact you too, so maybe you can give them some information on what

Joshua: 00:31:15

they can do to reach out to you.

Bill: 00:31:17

Alright, sure.

Bill: 00:31:18

Well, as I said, the podcast is called Movie Nights and Matinees,

Bill: 00:31:21

and I didn't mention the premise is for people who enjoy movies from when

Bill: 00:31:26

we actually had to go to the movies.

Bill: 00:31:27

I mean, now it's just no big deal.

Bill: 00:31:29

You push a button on your TV, on your computer, on your phone, and you're

Bill: 00:31:33

watching an uncut movie for a couple of hours or whatever, but in the earlier

Bill: 00:31:38

days you actually had to go to the trouble of going to the theater to see a movie,

Bill: 00:31:43

share the experience with an audience, and sometimes, certainly as a child, that

Bill: 00:31:49

was as much of an experience for me as seeing the movie, just being there was

Bill: 00:31:54

something, so that's kind of the premise.

Bill: 00:31:56

Now, there's a website: movienightsandmatinees.com, and unlike

Bill: 00:32:00

the logo, you can't use the ampersand.

Bill: 00:32:02

You have to spell out movie nights and a n d matinees.com, and if you go there,

Bill: 00:32:07

there's an episode guide page where you can see all the episodes we've done so far

Bill: 00:32:11

on topics like the Marx Brothers, Tarzan, 3D movies, the Shadow, things like that.

Bill: 00:32:18

The latest one that I just did with Michael F.

Bill: 00:32:20

Blake the subject is Lon Chaney, the great superstar from silent films.

Bill: 00:32:26

There's also a page where you can see books related to the guests

Bill: 00:32:30

or topics, and you can click and order them through Amazon there.

Bill: 00:32:34

There's a page where you can do the same thing with movies that we speak about

Bill: 00:32:38

in the various episodes, and there's a page where you can order some swag

Bill: 00:32:41

with the movie nights and matinees logo on it; also a comments page, so

Bill: 00:32:44

if anyone is wanting to reach out to me there, then you can do it through that.

Bill: 00:32:49

There's Movie Nights and Matinees Facebook page.

Bill: 00:32:51

You can also go there and I post when new episodes come out and you can also

Bill: 00:32:56

put comments there, ask questions, make suggestions, start an argument, whatever.

Joshua: 00:33:03

Well, Bill, I have to say, I'll put all that in the episode notes,

Joshua: 00:33:05

especially from my listeners on this podcast that want to check you out, but

Joshua: 00:33:09

I want to say that I've had people on this show that have been established

Joshua: 00:33:15

correspondants on Capitol Hill have talked about their experiences.

Joshua: 00:33:19

I've had people that sat on national chairs of organizations and committees

Joshua: 00:33:25

that have some wide ranging impacts.

Joshua: 00:33:28

I've had a lot of people that have had gone through the gambit of life and

Joshua: 00:33:32

have gotten to where they are today and even have had some international

Joshua: 00:33:36

guests share their perspective.

Joshua: 00:33:38

Maybe we should rethink things differently in the United States as to the way

Joshua: 00:33:42

that we do things in our lives, but I really appreciate this interview for a

Joshua: 00:33:46

few reasons that I want to share is a.

Joshua: 00:33:49

I didn't realize how much I really enjoyed films until you started talking

Joshua: 00:33:54

about all these different people, even before we hit the record button

Joshua: 00:33:57

on this, so I really appreciate you sharing some of your insights, but B,

Joshua: 00:34:02

I think what was really truly profound for me is that we have such a rich

Joshua: 00:34:07

cultural history just because of films, and I think that that's so important,

Joshua: 00:34:12

especially as we're developing ourselves.

Joshua: 00:34:15

I mean, my business that I do through this podcast certainly might not align

Joshua: 00:34:20

with what you do and your sort of genre that you have certainly built, but I

Joshua: 00:34:25

think that there's some close connection here of how we can overcome, and a lot

Joshua: 00:34:30

of films are really about that theme of overcoming, especially with even talking

Joshua: 00:34:35

a little bit about even the films that you have worked with Francis Ford Coppola as

Joshua: 00:34:39

a crew member, so for all those reasons, for everything that you've shared today,

Joshua: 00:34:44

Bill, thanks for being on Speaking From The Heart, and I really appreciated our

Joshua: 00:34:48

conversation and your insights today.

Joshua: 00:34:50

I think they're really inspiring and I think it might help people become

Joshua: 00:34:54

the next, who knows, Paul Newman, perhaps, so thank you again, Bill.

Joshua: 00:34:59

I really appreciate it.

Bill: 00:35:00

Oh, thank you.

Joshua: 00:35:02

I want to thank Bill again for being part of the show and really sharing

Joshua: 00:35:05

a lot of unique experiences as part of his development in not only his career,

Joshua: 00:35:11

but what he's been able to do as a result of taking on all these different types

Joshua: 00:35:15

of twists and turns that are part of our lives, and I think that's what is

Joshua: 00:35:19

really cool about Bill's story has been about, especially with listening to all

Joshua: 00:35:23

the different types of experiences that he's had, especially going into trying

Joshua: 00:35:28

to have a career that we often think we're going to have, and then switching

Joshua: 00:35:33

to something completely different later on in life, which, yeah, it happens.

Joshua: 00:35:38

For me, I wanted to be a lawyer growing up.

Joshua: 00:35:41

Instead, I'm talking to all of you as a podcast host, and even running

Joshua: 00:35:45

my own business for that matter.

Joshua: 00:35:47

Who would ever thought, and that's okay too.

Joshua: 00:35:50

There's no reason why you should never feel like there's such a bleak landscape

Joshua: 00:35:55

as a result of not doing what exactly you're meant to do, and now you might

Joshua: 00:36:01

be asking yourself, "Aren't you in the business of actually helping people to

Joshua: 00:36:04

get to where they really need to be?

Joshua: 00:36:07

Aren't you really selling yourself, maybe a little bit short on that?", and

Joshua: 00:36:12

perhaps you might think that, but the truth is, we all have different things

Joshua: 00:36:16

that we really want to do growing up that often change because of the shifting

Joshua: 00:36:20

priorities and interests in our lives.

Joshua: 00:36:23

I never thought that I'd be interested in doing podcast hosting.

Joshua: 00:36:27

I would've never thought that I would be interested in running a business in

Joshua: 00:36:30

which I coach other people to see the true potential that they have inside

Joshua: 00:36:34

themselves, but here I am doing something that I really enjoy, and I think that for

Joshua: 00:36:40

many of us, even if it was something that we have problems with, trying to navigate

Joshua: 00:36:44

through those black and white moments, we can get into live living color and be

Joshua: 00:36:50

able to see what those experiences can be if we're just willing to try and give it

Joshua: 00:36:55

a shot, and I think that's really about what Bill's journey has been: giving it

Joshua: 00:37:00

a shot, seeing if it's really cool, and then moving on to something else, because

Joshua: 00:37:05

we need to be able to learn and grow into some of the things or some of the

Joshua: 00:37:09

people that are really part of our lives.

Joshua: 00:37:12

We really want to be part of something that creates some of the

Joshua: 00:37:15

best things that happen in our life, really the epiphany of why this

Joshua: 00:37:19

podcast exists in the first place.

Joshua: 00:37:22

Sometimes having that one person and getting into their consciousness, or

Joshua: 00:37:26

their presence of really what they want to do in their lives, can be

Joshua: 00:37:30

something of a fulfilling nature.

Joshua: 00:37:33

You can help us to understand so much about the inner workings, which maybe

Joshua: 00:37:38

for some of us, we really don't want to know what's happening in someone else's

Joshua: 00:37:42

life, and I totally understand that.

Joshua: 00:37:44

There's probably some people in your life that you're thinking, "Man, if

Joshua: 00:37:47

I knew just a little bit more about this person, I don't know if I really

Joshua: 00:37:51

wanted to be able to work with them.

Joshua: 00:37:53

I don't even know if I want to be associated with them or even have my

Joshua: 00:37:55

name attached to them", but, I think that for many of us, if we're saying

Joshua: 00:38:01

that and we're feeling that, and we might be thinking, "Eh, I don't know if

Joshua: 00:38:06

I really should be doing that", we might be missing out on something that's quite

Joshua: 00:38:10

profound, and even then, for Bill's sake, he was trained being an actor, because

Joshua: 00:38:18

of theater, he really thought that it would give him a great opportunity.

Joshua: 00:38:22

Does that mean that Bill's life was not so good?

Joshua: 00:38:25

Absolutely not.

Joshua: 00:38:27

As a matter of fact, I think Bill really enjoys, especially some of the episodes

Joshua: 00:38:31

that he gets to do now with some fellow people that have been able to go through

Joshua: 00:38:36

some of the coolest experiences that he's been able to share and associate

Joshua: 00:38:40

with, which I really encourage you to check out his podcasts and listen to

Joshua: 00:38:44

more of those episodes with some guests that he's had, but I think it's really

Joshua: 00:38:48

about understanding and learning that even through those black and white

Joshua: 00:38:52

moments that we have in our lives, we can actually create some of the best things

Joshua: 00:38:57

that ever happened in our life on the other side in that living color moment.

Joshua: 00:39:03

Sometimes we can turn a young passion that we have in our lives

Joshua: 00:39:06

into something that we always wanted; what we always want to do.

Joshua: 00:39:12

Maybe it wasn't something that we readily thought about when we were setting out to

Joshua: 00:39:16

do it in the first place, but I think for many of us, we often have that intention

Joshua: 00:39:21

of thinking that we're going to always do those certain things and have those

Joshua: 00:39:24

certain opportunities time and time again.

Joshua: 00:39:28

We get shifted off the wrong path.

Joshua: 00:39:31

We're not really knowing or doing what we really set out to do in the

Joshua: 00:39:34

first place; matter of fact, maybe some of those distractions that we

Joshua: 00:39:39

have in our lives often come back up.

Joshua: 00:39:43

Having those people in our lives that maybe we thought we could get away from,

Joshua: 00:39:48

but they keep circling back around.

Joshua: 00:39:52

I know that for the longest time in my life I always wanted to have some

Joshua: 00:39:55

sort of influence in my life that would allow me to become not only just

Joshua: 00:39:59

the best version of my myself, but it would remove the distractions that I

Joshua: 00:40:03

really had so that I can enjoy some of the best moments of the things that I

Joshua: 00:40:08

really wanted to do, and I know that for many of us, I can be very tough.

Joshua: 00:40:14

I think about the fact that my mom really was an influence on my life, watching

Joshua: 00:40:19

some of the most greatest television series that ever existed; star Trek being

Joshua: 00:40:23

one of them that I have mentioned on this podcast, but there's been others.

Joshua: 00:40:28

There's been other influences that even for my father, I think that it has

Joshua: 00:40:32

allowed me to create some of the best moments of characters that I look up to.

Joshua: 00:40:38

Ever heard of Rocky?

Joshua: 00:40:40

Maybe you even heard of Rambo.

Joshua: 00:40:43

Maybe you've heard of Peewee Herman.

Joshua: 00:40:47

Now, what do Rocky, Rambo, Peewee Herman, and even James T.

Joshua: 00:40:53

Kirk all have in common?

Joshua: 00:40:56

Well, I don't know about you, but they have something in common for me.

Joshua: 00:41:01

Those are the people in which I have great influence.

Joshua: 00:41:04

They allow me to see what I could become as influential individuals of myself

Joshua: 00:41:10

taking some of the characteristics of each of those individuals to

Joshua: 00:41:14

ultimately become some of the best things that are inside of me.

Joshua: 00:41:18

No, I'm not going to go to Rambo's sort of sake, which if you ever

Joshua: 00:41:22

watched that movie, it's pretty violent, the original one especially.

Joshua: 00:41:27

I will not be doing that, and I definitely condone violence especially

Joshua: 00:41:32

so for all my fans out there, yes, violence is not the answer, but what

Joshua: 00:41:37

I'm really trying to say to you is this.

Joshua: 00:41:40

We all have our influences in our life of how we think, how we

Joshua: 00:41:45

proceed and how we continue to move through the courses of our life.

Joshua: 00:41:51

Think of it this way.

Joshua: 00:41:53

Bill was influenced by all these different individuals that encouraged

Joshua: 00:41:57

him to keep moving forward.

Joshua: 00:42:00

Being part of the production team of especially Rumble Fish, for that matter,

Joshua: 00:42:04

allowed him to even go on to do some of the coolest things in the film industry

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while he was still really active in that.

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He is still doing some of the coolest things as a result of those

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experiences from all that long ago.

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It doesn't matter what age you are.

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It doesn't matter what kind of influences you have, because you can create some

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of the best things in your own industry.

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Industry?

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Do you mean doing manufacturing?

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Do you mean giving services?

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Do you mean providing them product?

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Well, it could be all of those things, but our own industry, we build our

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own industries based on what we enjoy the most, what we really like, what

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we really create, what we actually have deep inside of ourselves that

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we want to turn into anything that we want, but the important thing is

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don't make it someone that you want.

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Be willing to create your own industry.

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It isn't about some other person's whim.

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It's about you and who you want to be.

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You can be James T.

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Kirk.

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There are people in this world that are actually working to be that.

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You can be Rocky Balboa and there are people around this world

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that are professional boxers.

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You can be Rambo and be some of the best soldiers on this earth, willing to do

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some of the great civil work that is needed in this whole entire process.

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You can even have your own fun playhouse, just like Peewee Herman did.

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The choices are infinite.

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You can assume any role that you really want to assume, as long as you have

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the will and determination to do it, and even if life takes you on those

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different twists and turns to get you there in the first place, remember

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it's okay, because the imagination runs wild just as it does in movies

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and television, and I think for that matter, we can all be appreciative of

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the fact that we could continue to grow into the best versions of ourselves as

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long as we're willing to be trained.

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We don't have to live in a black and white sort of life.

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We can be living color, and I think that living color has a multitude of different

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shades to choose from, so I ask you, what kind of shade do you want to be, and what

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kind of character do you want to become?

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Thanks for listening to episode number 70 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to hearing from your heart very soon.

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