Episode #112 - Decluttering Our Possessions, Physical & Mental, For The Better: An Interview With Erin McNamara

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode

number 112 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today, I'm super excited to have

Erin McNamara, who I've known

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for many years, on the show.

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Erin is the owner and lead organizer

at Carlisle Home Organizers.

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She's passionate about helping

her clients to relieve stress and

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anxiety from their daily life through

decluttering their home and setting

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up systems for a more functional life.

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She also helps her clients to live

to their full potential through her

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intentional life coaching program that

she offers, and I'm super excited to

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be able to share her story, along with

the reason as to why she is involved

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with helping with decluttering, and

even home organization for that matter,

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because when we look at the bigger

pieces of the puzzle that we call our

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lives, we have to understand that that

environment that we live in, especially

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with all the people, all the things

that we have, can make such a big

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difference in how successful we can be.

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Whether we're able to push through that,

whether we have anxiety or shame about the

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number of things that we have going on in

our lives, let alone even the different

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things that we accumulate, makes such

a big difference in the functionality

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and even the different opportunities

that we have to overcome them.

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It's really about having that level of

accountability, which we talk about in our

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interview today, but I love the fact that

there are people out there that not only

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work on the things that are going on in

our lives mentally, but they also tackle

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the things that are physically holding

us back, and I think you might be quite

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surprised to hear some of what Erin has

to say about this overall journey when

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it comes to not only functional design,

but also understanding that it's really

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important to get through all the different

things that we've accumulated so that we

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can live the best versions of ourselves.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right, we're here with Erin McNamara.

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Erin!

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Thanks for sharing your

heart with us today.

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Erin: Hi, Josh.

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How are you?

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Joshua: I am doing well.

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It's been quite a while, and full

disclosure for the audience, I known

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Erin for over a couple of years now,

and it was really interesting because

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of our interactions with a Toastmasters

program, which, for my listeners, you all

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know about what Toastmasters is, and I

encourage you to check it out if you're

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ever interested in networking and meeting

great people like Erin, so Erin, thank you

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so much for being part of the show, and I

already let the audience know a little bit

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about you, but really, my first question

for you is, what got you started with home

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clearing or home decluttering, because

for some people, they're like, "No.

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I don't want to do this whatsoever.

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It's too much work.

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It's an overwhelming process.",

so I'm curious what led you

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into getting started with that.

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Erin: It certainly is an overwhelming

process, and I think that's

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what drove me to get started.

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I actually never knew that

professional organizing was a thing.

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When I got started, I just knew that

I was very overwhelmed in my home.

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I have three kids and they

were pretty young at the time.

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I started my business about five years ago

now, so I was just very overwhelmed with

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the noise and clutter that children bring.

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I wanted my home to be a place of peace

and it was more of a place of anxiety.

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I enjoyed me and my kids' time out

of the house, more than I enjoyed our

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time in the house, and whoever has,

kids of young ages, they know it's a

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struggle just to get them out of the

house, so that's how I got started.

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I realized that I was very triggered

by the noise in my home, and also

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the clutter that my children brought.

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Joshua: Is there a certain sort of

characteristics that you might say

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empowers you to be able to do home

decluttering, or help others, because

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I'm always fascinated by people

that are just organized in general.

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They come in and like, "Oh, we'll make

this much better.", and then they do

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their magic, and it does look much better.

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Are there any sort of things that you

might empower yourself with, or you have

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some sort of personality type that helps

you to be able to do those sort of things?

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Erin: I think just knowing the changes

and the relief that I will bring

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to people's lives is what really

is the driving force behind this.

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I love getting to know my clients and even

on a more personal level, it always starts

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out as the issue is too much clutter,

but as we're working through the clutter,

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there's always kind of underlying things

that need to be worked through in order to

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rid ourselves of the clutter, so really,

it's just knowing how much of an impact

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this is going to have on their daily

lives is what's really the driving force.

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Joshua: As somebody that owns a

business about decluttering, are

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there things that you do to declutter?

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Erin: Oh, always, and you

don't just go into your home,

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declutter, and then walk away.

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This is just like systems

that have to be maintained.

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It's really almost a lifestyle

change, but, in other people's

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homes, try to set up systems that

are easy for them to then maintain.

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Joshua: What would you say is the

number one thing that causes a lot

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of issues for people that you work

with when they solicit you for help?

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Is it something about

the overwhelmingness?

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Is it something about a particular

type of job that they have to

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repetitively do and build a new habit?

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Can you walk us through what a typical

client looks like in your world?

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Erin: In the niche that I work in, most

of my clients are busy professionals,

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and they're usually overwhelmed parents.

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Usually, the mother is

the one that contacts me.

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I think that the way we're living as

society now, usually we need two parents

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working full time, and they come to me

overwhelmed because they've worked really

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hard to build the lives that they are

living and taking a pause in the life

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that they've created, they've been working

really hard, both in their professional

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lives and in building their families, and

they get to the point where they've been

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building so much, and they look around

and they're just completely overwhelmed

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with the clutter in their house,

and everything that comes with that.

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When you're adding kids to your

life, that's a huge transition time.

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Your life changes entirely, and that's

usually what brings people to me

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is the overwhelm, and just knowing

that they need to change things,

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mostly for their mental health too.

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It's hard day to day.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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It definitely, nowadays, especially with

the advent of technology, you think that

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things are a lot simpler to do, but,

in all intensive purposes, it hasn't

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changed the fact that there's still a

level of work, and it's funny because

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I've had people that have talked about

some realms of artificial intelligence

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and being able to exemplify that,

and I've had some monologue episodes

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in which I've talked about that too,

that, yeah, it can be helpful, but

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you got to use it responsibly too.

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Erin: Right.

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Joshua: But, with what you said about

having kids, which I'm going to take

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your word for it, being that I'm single,

I have no kids, I totally respect the

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fact that being a hardworking mom,

or all the moms and dads out there,

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especially that have responsibilities

of parenting, kudos to you that have

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to juggle all that, so I'm guessing

that you have all your stuff together.

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You have a wonderful husband.

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You have all these kids.

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You got everything organized

in your life, right?

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Erin: I've got it all together, Josh.

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Joshua: You see; I knew it, and I'm

glad that we had you on the show now.

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Erin: No.

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Not at all.

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Not at all.

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Even looking around my home

right now, it's not ever always

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picked up and organized and tidy.

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That's just not realistic for

the lives that people live in.

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Now, my things do have a home though, so

when things get cluttered and messy and

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are all around the place, that's the key.

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Yes, your home will still get messy,

but as long as everything has a place

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where it belongs, that's the key.

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It makes cleaning up much easier.

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So, certainly don't have

it all together here.

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Joshua: But that makes it really impactful

because, even as a coach myself, I don't

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have everything together, and I certainly

have my vulnerable weak moments, which

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you have seen, and you and I have talked

off and on about too, in some capacity,

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and I think it's just really important

to acknowledge that although we are

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authorities in these subjects, it doesn't

mean though that we don't have our

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own problems and that we try to figure

it out and we come up with systems.

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That's why we're trying

to help out others-

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Erin: Yeah.

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Joshua: For some of the

things that we've done too.

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Erin: I think that's maybe why we are

working in the areas that we're working

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in, because we've been through the

struggle, and we can understand, and I

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think a lot of times, when people are

reaching out to me, there's a lot of

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anxiety and shame and sometimes guilt

that comes with that, but, I've pretty

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much seen it all at this point and I

really have a judgment free attitude.

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I think it's the being vulnerable,

and people knowing that you're still

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a human, and that you don't have it

all together all of the time, you can

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be sympathetic with your clients and

understand where they're coming from.

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Joshua: I think that's important,

especially for the fact that, first

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off, we didn't even mention the name

of your business yet, which is Carlisle

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Home Organizers, so you're in Carlisle,

Pennsylvania, right up down the road

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from me, where my business is located

at, and I noticed the fact that you

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have different packages for people going

from, well, if you only need me for

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a day or, you know, this many hours,

that's okay, but if you're doing a big

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move and you're trying to get everything

cleared out, like I'm ready to help you

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with that, so walk me through a little

bit about how that would work if I

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have you hired for a big move, and I'm

getting ready to just take everything

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out and put it into a new place.

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Is there some sort of stipulations

that you have with that?

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What is it that you look for with

someone that is getting ready to do that?

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Do you ask them to be

part of that process too?

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Do you take care of everything, because

I feel like in organizing, you can

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show people stuff, but you also want

those clients and those people to be

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able to take some responsibility to

learn some new habits as well, so I'm

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kind of curious how that would work.

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Erin: Yeah, so as far as big moves

go, the earlier someone gets a

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hold of me, the better I feel.

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I have a client right now, who's

kind of in the ideal position.

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This is an elderly client who is

downsizing and getting ready to move,

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and her son actually reached out to me.

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He lives out of state, and they

contacted me at the perfect time because

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she's not moving until the summer,

and now we have all of this time.

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She's lived in her home for a very long

time, and so it's going to take some time

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to go through and declutter with her,

so it really also depends on the client.

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She doesn't have a full time job anymore.

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She's retired.

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She's getting older.

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She's preparing to downsize, so I

get to work a lot of times with her

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one on one and we get to really work

through the process, because it can be

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very mentally taxing for some people.

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Other people, they're just like, "Hey.

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I need this job done.

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I don't have the time and energy to do

it.", so in that sense, we shift gears

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and I categorize the items, and then

I just need them for small blitzes of

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time, like 15 to 20 minutes, where we

go through and make quick decisions on

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what's staying and what's going, but the

big key if you have a big move, is, as far

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as decluttering, getting started as early

as you can in the decluttering process.

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Joshua: Is there a checklist or something

that you walk clients through as it

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comes to those sort of expectations?

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I feel like you have to sometimes work

with people with different ways in which

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they have in terms of not only the ways

their brain works, but also how they also

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go about accomplishing those aspects.

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I mean, for me, I feel like a

checklist would always be helpful to

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make sure that I'm staying on track.

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Erin: Checklists are super helpful, so

initially, we set up a 15 minute call;

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15 to 20 minutes, and I kind of learn

about them, learn about their struggles,

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learn about what their goals are, and

then as we're working together, I do

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leave summaries at the end of our session

time, and I leave them homework and

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goals for them to work through, and I

let them know what we worked on today,

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what their goals are while I'm gone, if

they have the time to do that, and what

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our goals are for the next session, so

that just keeps me on track too, because

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I've got a lot of different projects

going at the same time, but it also

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keeps them on track in their project.

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Joshua: Can you tell us about one of your

most successful clients that you've had-

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Erin: Oh wow.

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Joshua: And to stipulate this question,

I'm looking for maybe somebody

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realized what they were doing wrong.

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They may have been resistant to begin

with, but they turned kind of 180.

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It doesn't have to necessarily fit

that model, but I'm just curious

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if you've ever had somebody quite

like that, or something similar.

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Erin: Yeah.

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Most of my clients are actually like that.

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They're hesitant to let go of things,

and then, throughout the process, I'm

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always kind of waiting for that shift

to happen, and they almost get annoyed

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with themselves, because this is an

investment when someone hires me.

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They're investing their time,

their money, their energy.

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They're really taking that step to change

their life, so when they do that, they

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kind of get annoyed with themselves.

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They realize they need to make a switch,

and I love watching that transformation

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kind of happen going from them holding

on to things, and then that switch

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happens where they're just like, "Okay.

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I'm tired of holding on to things.

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I know what my end result and what

my goal needs to be.", and that's

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a big thing that I focus on too.

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What's the goal for your space?

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What's the goal for your new home?

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Do you see this helping you in your

new life, so, probably the biggest

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transformation that I've had though, a

lot of times people ask me if I worked

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with hoarders, that's like one of the

key questions that I get, and I feel

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like using the term hoarder I don't

like to use that term a lot because

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it's pretty serious term, and I can't

really diagnose somebody as a hoarder.

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I can certainly see hoarding tendencies

and when people need a little

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extra help working through things.

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Now, people that are true hoarders, should

also be working alongside a therapist,

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because there's a lot of trauma that can

come with letting things go and hoarding

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is usually triggered by traumas, so-

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Joshua: I have to say there's a stigma

with that too with that word, so I took-

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Erin: Yes.

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Absolutely.

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It's like when people use the term,

like OCD, or something, and they use

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it a little bit too nonchalantly,

and it's a true condition just like

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anything that I don't want to use the

word hoarder as something nonchalant.

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It's something serious and it takes

a lot to work through, so anyway,

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back to biggest transformations.

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I think I worked in a home.

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The hoarder had passed away and his

wife contacted me to work through their

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clutter, so I think overall, that was

probably the biggest transformation,

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even just in their lives, and seeing the

ways that their family was affected by

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the hoarding, and then also visually,

just the transformation of their

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home once we got through everything.

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The person that passed away, we

transformed their office into their

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son's bedroom, and so it was really

amazing to go from a room, quite

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literally packed from the floor to

the ceiling with things, and they

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updated the floor, updated the paint.

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It was a completely different

room, so that was probably

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the biggest transformation.

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Joshua: I don't think many people realize

that when you are going through a process

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like this, it isn't just about what

you, individually, have in terms of a

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change, like you said, the number of

different people that are impacted by it.

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Erin: Mmhmm.

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Joshua: And thinking of that same

example, do you think that kids even

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have an impact on what they could do

too when it comes to being able to be

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organized, being able to be efficient

so that they can help their parents

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out with some of the things, because-

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Erin: Absolutely.

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Joshua: And the reason I bring it

up is I noticed on your website,

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you have something for kids too-

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Erin: Yeah I do.

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Joshua: I was wondering if

you could talk about that.

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Erin: Yeah.

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I love working with kids.

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I feel like setting the expectation

in your home is really a key in your

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kids being successful in their rooms.

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Now, just because you have a whole

organized home and you try to have

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systems and maintain things doesn't

mean your kids going to just follow

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suit and be this little organized robot.

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That's amazing, but that's

not how it always works.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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We don't have robot kids around the house.

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It's okay.

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I mean, one day, 30, 40 years in the

future, I think that will be coming.

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I mean, we already have those

Roombas that come around the house.

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Erin: Those will be our children.

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Joshua: It's coming, Erin.

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Erin: So anyway, giving your kids the

expectation as the full home is always

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good, but I love working with kids

one-on-one individually, and having them

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really take ownership for their space,

and really focusing on what they want

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their room to be; what they want either

their toy room or their bedroom; their

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own personal space, so I think that's

what is important mostly to focus on

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with kids, and it really puts them, when

I'm working with kids, I kind of make

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it so that they feel like they're in

charge because a lot of times kids, they

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hear, "Oh, this organizer is coming."

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They have a lot of fear with that.

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They don't want me to just walk in and

throw away their things, and there's a

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level of respect that I need to show up

with them, because this is their room.

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This is their space, and I try to

make that clear from the beginning.

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I'm here to help you be organized,

and make your room whatever

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you want to make your room.

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Just making them feel responsible

and in charge, and then that really

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leads to later on in their life.

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It really gives them the tools

to keep their spaces maintained.

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Joshua: Do you find that kids are a

lot more receptive than adults to being

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able to do change, or is it vice versa,

because I feel like there's always

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this traditional thinking of, "Well.

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The kids trying to do something like this

and try to be organized,, or try to be

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efficient or whatever the case might be?

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Hogwash!

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I have to force them to do that.,

but I have this feeling from

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what you just shared that you

have a different experience.

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Erin: Absolutely.

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I feel like 100 percent

kids are more receptive.

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Their minds are so young and still

developing and they're so much more

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accepting to different things, so even

in school, like now it's their time

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when they're learning and absorbing

so much, and they don't have all of

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the, I guess you could say traumas.

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Growing up, we all go through all of these

different things that may make us more

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resistant to letting things go, but kids,

as long as you focus on the positives,

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I feel like they're much more receptive

to letting things go, and sometimes, at

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the beginning, they're really hesitant.

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They're really nervous.

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They don't know what this is going

to look like, but when you show up

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with a positive mindset, it kind of

helps them shift, and yeah, they get

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rid of a lot more than you'd expect.

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Joshua: Can you give an example

of what you just said, like

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can you give us a kid that-

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Erin: And you know this person.

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I don't want to-

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Joshua: No.

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She's listening now.

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Hey.

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Thanks so much friend, I won't mention

your name, but you're now on the podcast.

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Erin: Yeah.

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I don't want to mention their name,

but I do like an intake form, and I

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had this form, and it was for the kids

to fill out, and it was hilarious.

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I think it was their oldest daughter.

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She was so resistant to me being in her

space and getting rid of her things.

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She just was not into it, and the

answers to her questions were hilarious.

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I'm going to have to, after this

call, go back and pull that up,

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because it was just so funny.

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It'd be a funny reminder.

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That was probably two

years ago now almost.

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It was so, so funny.

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She did not want me there though, but by

the end of it; yeah, we had a great time.

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I even showed her how to

use her sewing machine.

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Joshua: That's almost like

a home ec sort of lesson.

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Erin: Yeah!

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Joshua: You would think like, "Wait.

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Home organizer, teaching

sewing to a child?"

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Erin: It did turn into a little bit

off topic, but since I was there, and I

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know how to sew and she needed some help

getting her sewing machine set up, so

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when we were done getting her room all

organized, I took the time and showed

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her how to do that, so that was one of

the key areas of her room was her desk

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space and having a space to do sewing.

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Joshua: Erin, I feel that sometimes

just getting started with something

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like this, people are thinking, "Man,

this is really expensive.", or, "Man.

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This is a lot of motivation that I have

to pull in in order for this to happen.",

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and I figure that we have sort of the

same line of work when it comes to that,

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because I have clients that sometimes

they look at what I'm offering, and then

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they look at the bottom line of how much

it will cost, and they go, "Whoa, Josh.

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There's no way I can afford this.

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There's got to be a better way to

handle this and I can do it on my own."

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Erin: Mmhmm.

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Joshua: Even with all these things,

and all these offerings that you have.

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We're in this spring season and we

often hear of spring clinging, right,

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so what would you recommend as maybe

some basic tips that some people can

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do if they don't have the money, or

the resources, or the motivation, to

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necessarily hire somebody like yourself?

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What are some just basic tips that

you could help encourage somebody

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to start with this sort of process,

and maybe after they go through that

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process, they do decide to hire you?

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Erin: Yeah.

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Absolutely, so a lot of the key

areas that people struggle with

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typically are kitchen, the normal

routines of cleaning your home.

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The less you have, the less you have to

do is what I like to focus on, so really

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decluttering, so kitchen is one area and

that's usually an area where you don't

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have a lot of attachment to things, and

it's going to make a pretty big impact

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when you are purging and decluttering.

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You'll have a lot less clutter on

your countertops, a lot less dishes to

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do, and pots and pans and things that

you just stuff at the back of your

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cabinets that you don't really grab

often, so that's a good place to start.

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Another place that people struggle

with a lot is laundry, and there

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are some people that have a lot of

attachments to laundry, so maybe

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even starting with your kids' laundry

instead of your own personal clothes.

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People get so overwhelmed

and it is overwhelming.

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There's constantly laundry to do.

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There's laundry in baskets, laundry

in the washer, laundry in the dryer.

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Especially when you have kids, it's

one of those key areas that gets very

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overwhelming, so the less laundry

you have, the less laundry you have

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to do, and I'm not talking about

becoming some super heroic minimalist

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that's got five pairs of pants or

something, unless you want to do that.

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Some people do that and that's great

for them, but really honing in on what

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your lifestyle is, just making those

systems more manageable, so start

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off with areas that you aren't super

attached to, and will maybe give you

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the best transformation in the shortest

amount of time, so that will really

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kind of give you a hit of dopamine.

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You're like, "Ooh, look at these

changes that are happening.

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I'm really changing my life.",

and that'll kind of propel you to

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the different areas of your home.

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Joshua: When you speak about propelling

people, and even helping others to

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even focus or concentrate on one area,

I imagine that for some people, even

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just taking that first baby step, or

even that first incurrence of that

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thought in their mind that I'm going to

do something radically different in my

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life for the first time, and it could be

just as small as organizing their house.

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What would you say to someone that

might feel a little bit overwhelmed?

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You and I have spoken very openly in

a variety of different forms about our

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anxiety, sometimes, when it comes to

even what we've personally endured.

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I have this feeling that you have this

message that you could share with people

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about what you have been able to overcome,

because of not only helping others to

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see what they can do to start getting

some of that life that they always

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desired back in their home, but I feel

like maybe you have something that you

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could share with some of our listeners

that might be impactful in what you've

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been able to accomplish with that.

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I'm wondering if you could share not

only some of the things that you have

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overcome as a result of opening this

business, because, first off, women

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owned businesses are on the rise, which

is an incredible thing in itself, so I

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commend you for being one of those women

champions, and I know that you have a

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great circle from what I've seen from

afar, of the different people that have

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influenced you, so I was wondering if you

want to speak for a few moments to those

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people out there that might be listening

and saying, "I don't know what to do.

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I hear what Erin is saying, but

I just don't feel like I got

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it in myself, because I got too

much depression, or anxiety, or

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any sort of other circumstance."

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Erin: I feel like so many people have

dealt with depression and anxiety.

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I know that it's something

that I've struggled with

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even after I changed my life.

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You don't just change your life and

then suddenly you're living on the other

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side in some magical place filled with

rainbows and whatever's magical for you.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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There's some kind of magic.

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I don't know if it's about

rainbows and unicorns.

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That's for sure.

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Yeah.

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I'm looking for them Erin.

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Erin: So yeah, it's just, I feel like the

key for me was really figuring out what

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I wanted for my life and living a more

intentional life, and so, even now in my

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business, I'm kind of making a shift to

helping people live more intentional lives

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at their core and at their center; getting

to the root of what you want your life to

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look like, and really, that's what I was

doing when I got started in all of this.

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When I even was just decluttering my

own home and getting organized, and I

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don't think that I truly realized what

I was doing at the time, but I knew that

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the life that I was living wasn't the

life that I thought I would be living,

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or the life that I wanted to be living.

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I was just so overwhelmed and filled

with anxiety, and I kind of focused

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on what I wanted my life to look like.

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There's a lyric from a song

that goes, oh, it's Vacation.

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I can't remember who sings it, but if you

don't like your life, then you should go

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and change it, and that was one of the

songs that really hits home and I think

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that just looking at your life and getting

really serious, and digging into what you

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want from your life, and where you want

your life to go, and then backing up and

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seeing the steps and the smaller goals

that you need to accomplish in order to

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get to that life is really the key to

all of it, and a lot of times, it starts

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in your home, but then what can you do

after you free up all of that space in

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your home; all of that time it takes up?

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Joshua: That's so deep because-

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Erin: It is.

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Joshua: Because for me, it is

about taking those small steps

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and then you start to see, "Oh.

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There's actually more small steps I have

to take because I cleared this out.",

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and then there's a little bit more-

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Erin: And that can be overwhelming.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Yeah, and even with that being

overwhelming, you start to see that

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you have that empowerment, that

prospect of actually doing something

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and making that change that's

systemic for the bigger picture-

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Erin: Right-

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Joshua: So it's not just the

small, but also the big things.

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Erin: All of those small

things lead to a lot of change.

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Joshua: Yeah, no, that's pretty profound,

and I definitely know that you're

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working towards that as somebody that

is a life coach that really works more

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on the side of goal setting and holding

accountability and trying to find new

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patterns in life, you're working on that

from a completely different angle, and

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I always appreciate those individuals

that are trying to break through and get

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those people that desperate attention

that they need to be able to address that,

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so kudos to you to be able to do that.

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Erin, I want to leave here with

giving the audience an opportunity

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to hear a little bit about where

they can contact you, where they

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can find you if you have a website.

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I would love to also let people know

too, where they could even find out if

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they want to hire you, for all intensive

purposes, so I'm going to give you the

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last few minutes to go ahead and share

all that information with our listeners.

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Erin: Yeah, absolutely, so I'm

based out of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

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I typically work within a

30 minute radius of here.

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I'll go a little bit further if necessary.

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You can find my website at

carlislehomeorganizers.com.

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I also have a Facebook page called

Carlisle Home Organizers LLC, and

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then we also have a Facebook group.

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It's Carlisle Home Organizers

VIP, so we get a little bit more

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intimate and personal in that group.

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We have a fun time and kind of

share our struggles, so yeah, those

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are the platforms you can find me.

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I'm also on Instagram at Carlisle

Home Organizers, but those are the key

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social media areas I like to stick in.

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Joshua: Awesome.

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All that will be in the episode notes for

any of my listeners that want to go and

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check out Erin's websites and even her

social media, but Erin, I want to leave

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the audience with this because I want you

to hear this too, because I think that

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sometimes we overblow this, "Oh my gosh.

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We have to make this big profound

change in our lives.", and we often

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exacerbate what that sort of outcome

is, so we kind of psych ourselves up,

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and then we don't want to do it because

we psych ourselves up way too much.

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Erin: Mmhmm.

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Joshua: But what I like about you,

and what I like about your industry

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and what you do, is that you break

it down into small little bite sized

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pieces and you do it for the kids,

too, so that you get in with them

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early, so they're building good habits.

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That is so unique and so distinguishable,

and I think that's so important for

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anybody listening today to really affirm

that they don't have to take these big

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strides to go and make a difference.

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It could just be happening right there

in their homes, and it sounds like to

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me, Erin, that you enjoy not only doing

what you're doing, but also helping those

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small people that definitely need that.

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That have that big heart to

be able to do something if

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they just had the right tools.

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I think you bring those tools for them,

so for all those reasons, Erin, thanks so

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much for being on Speaking From The Heart.

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It was really a privilege to have you.

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You're one of those people that I

was hoping to get on sooner, but we

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got you on and I'm really happy that

we got the chance to talk today.

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Erin: Yeah, me too.

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Thank you, Josh.

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Joshua: I want to thank Erin so much

again for being part of the show.

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Another local business owner here, close

to me, right in my backyard here in

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Carlisle, and I'm super happy for her

of everything that she's been achieving.

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I ran into her a few months later after

we did this interview, and she's been

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absolutely rocking it for everything that

it's worth, so for Erin, I really am proud

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of you and how far you've come and what

you continue to do, entering into even

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the coaching business yourself, helping

other people find that manifest destiny,

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working through all the decluttering,

all the material possessions that they

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have, and also figuring out what it means

to keep moving forward, but I think that

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that's the problem that we often have

to face is that we are so overwhelmed

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: 00:31:58

when we live in a house, or we live in

an apartment, or wherever we might live,

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we need to find a safe environment.

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: 00:32:05

It's a place that which we can go home

and hang her hat, which we had Alyssa

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from many episodes ago talk about this

with even her ability from a different

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: 00:32:15

place at a different time, being able

to work on herself and what she has in

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: 00:32:19

her business, but yet I have to look at

what this going on here and what Erin

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is sharing today, because really she

asked an important question: Are you

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: 00:32:29

too busy to do everything by yourself?

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If you need that help, you

need to get that help and

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: 00:32:34

you need to ask for it today.

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: 00:32:36

I think we get so wrapped up in

today's society about wanting to

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do it ourselves, and yet we keep

saying that we're going to get to it.

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We're going to get to it.

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: 00:32:45

We're going to get to it, but

we never get to it, so we need

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to get other people involved.

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If we really want to get it done

in a fast manner that's efficient

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: 00:32:54

and also creative, we need to

hire people to be able to do that.

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We need to work through those different

pauses that we have in our lives

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: 00:33:01

so that we know that we can make

it to the other side, and I know

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that that is the hardest thing that

you could ever do, is ask for help.

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Even if it means decluttering your own

house, which, for me, I have had to go

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through that so many times growing up.

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My mom had so many different types of

things in the house, let alone in the

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barn, because I grew up on a farm and had

so many other things stored in not only

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the places that I normally don't think

that we have places that we store things

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at, but yet, I look at all the things

that I have, what I've had to remove.

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Is it really necessary for me

to have in the first place?

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We have to ask the question, even in our

own lives: Does this give space to what

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we really need to have in our lives?

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Do we really need to have what

we're looking at right now?

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Stop giving things rent for

free, because let's face it.

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Not only is it the things that we've

talked about in today's interview,

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but it's also about the ideas, the

concepts, the thoughts that inhibit

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us from being able to move forward.

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Those are the things that

we also need to declutter.

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But then you look at it from

a whole other perspective.

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Do you have any anxiety?

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Do you have shame?

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Can you be vulnerable letting somebody

else in your own house, seeing what you

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have accumulated, whether that is in the

physical sense, or even the mental sense?

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Some people, when they see the

overwhelming mess that's involved

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in trying to solve those problems,

might walk away, but not Erin, and

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you have to remember that it's not

about what you might have going on,

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and what people might think about

you when they see all this stuff.

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It's okay to be open to know and

accept that you have a problem.

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That's the very first step, and there is

a right way to do it, and unfortunately,

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and I've seen all too often, there is

a wrong way to do it, and the wrong

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way has always been when people don't

understand why people hoard, why

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they clutter their houses, why they

have so many material possessions,

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but even then, why they hold on to

certain thoughts, feelings, attitudes,

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all come from the fact that we might

have never been able to resolve them.

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As we even talked about in episode

110 with Harris Eddie Hill,

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sometimes it involves even trauma,

and trauma in itself, you have to

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be very careful in what you handle.

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It is something that is so

valuable to somebody, because

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they have put that value into it.

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This is no different in today's

interview about what we put

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into the physical things.

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We hold on to those physical things

because they have some significant value

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as to the reason why we even hold on to

them is a whole other conversation for

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another day, but when you think about

the fact that these people, these things

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that they hold on to, are really the

livelihood that they have, and they think

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that's the only thing they have left,

there's something that is definitely

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happening, but you need to give it

respect, and I think that's what Erin

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was really trying to share with us today,

about the matter of which we need to be

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respectful in a professional sense, even

if it is on a personal level, we need

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to be professional about why they're

holding onto it in the first place.

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Being able to work through all those

things, all those different areas,

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whatever those obstacles are in the

first place, can be so overwhelming,

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but we need to break them down.

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We need to come up with a plan.

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That's what I've always been doing

with my clients, and that's what

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Erin does with her clients as well.

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It's truly evident.

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The things that we're able to

break down so that we can make

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them into bite sized pieces.

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We do not go into a problem thinking that

we can resolve everything all in one day.

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Sure, to be truly efficient, you want to

be able to resolve things in a relatively

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: 00:37:12

quick fashion, and maybe even in the

physical sense, you might want to be able

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: 00:37:16

to work through those problems in a quick

manner that's not only cost effective,

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but also involves all the people to make

it relatively painless, but you have to

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understand that that's only one side of

figuring out how to best move forward.

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Getting rid of the clutter

doesn't always mean, though, that

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you have to just get rid of it.

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It means also instilling new practices.

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: 00:37:42

new abilities to be accountable, to

make sure that you never hoard again,

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: 00:37:47

you have to be able to understand why

it was hoarding in the first place.

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: 00:37:53

You have to find ways in which your

transformation doesn't just come from

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others, but it comes from inside yourself.

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That means you have to learn, in a

bigger sense, how to be able to learn

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new ways, new patterns, new thoughts

about the ways in which you've been

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holding on, not just to the material

possessions, but also the things that you

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might be holding on inside of yourself.

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The one thing that really struck me, and I

think really gets to the core of why many

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people continue to work on themselves, and

especially for the important aspects of

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maybe they want to overcome their hoarding

or their organizational issues, is about

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the kids, and I love the fact that Erin

even talked about taking ownership with

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your kids of what they want to have

and what they don't want to have, and

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: 00:38:49

that you should never underestimate the

power of what kids can contribute to

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the overall problem, which in itself,

flips on its head a lot of different

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: 00:38:59

things that we've talked about in this

show about personal responsibility.

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Looking at your past and seeing what

might be happening with not only

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the individuals that you associate

with, but also the children that

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: 00:39:11

we identify inside of ourselves.

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: 00:39:15

What kind of situation are you giving

yourself grace in every time that

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you see your kids suffering, maybe

even struggling, with the lack of

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: 00:39:24

organizational skills that you have?

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: 00:39:28

Are you going to take responsibility

to allow your kids to be able to work

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: 00:39:31

through these things that might be going

on in their lives, or are you going to

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: 00:39:36

just keep on muddling through, thinking

that it's going to resolve itself, which

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: 00:39:40

I've had plenty of clients have that

situation, but yet, when I pointed out to

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them about the sheer power of potential

that they have inside themselves to

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be able to work through it, it makes

such a big difference in the long run.

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What room are you going to work on first?

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That's really what I

want to leave this at.

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What are you going to address first

that will help to motivate you,

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to keep pushing you, to the right

direction that you need to go in?

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: 00:40:10

You have to figure out what is really

intentional with not just your life, and

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: 00:40:15

what you want to get control of again,

but also on the other side of it, that

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sometimes, the things that we might even

organize, maybe we even put to bed, might

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: 00:40:26

come back, and we need to figure out why

it came back and reared its ugly head.

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: 00:40:33

I know that in our environment, it can

be so difficult for us to organize,

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: 00:40:38

to feel like we have control of the

situation, to feel like we are able to

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: 00:40:44

seek help, but I'm telling you, from

the bottom of my heart, help can always

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: 00:40:52

give you that second chance, or maybe

even that third chance, or whatever

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: 00:40:56

chance it might be, to keep working on

yourself in a direction that you might

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: 00:41:02

have never thought you could ever go.

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: 00:41:05

You have that control.

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: 00:41:08

It's just a matter of realizing and

waking up of what it is that might

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: 00:41:12

be holding you back, and I know

that can be easier said than done.

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: 00:41:16

Throwing away things that you really

cherish can be the most difficult thing

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: 00:41:21

you've ever done, but I have to say

that when you have people like Erin, and

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: 00:41:27

people like me, that will be there to

back you up, just know that it's okay

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: 00:41:35

to cry a little, to grieve a little bit

about what you've been through, to be

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able to know that despite the fact that

you had to let go of something that

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: 00:41:46

was really truly valuable, it's okay to

shed a little bit of emotion about it.

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: 00:41:54

I don't know how much you might have

holding on inside your heart, or even

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: 00:41:58

in your house for that matter, but

whether we're looking at your house

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from the perspective of your castle,

which in a future episode, we're going

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to talk about castles, which will be

an interesting topic in itself, but

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: 00:42:12

yet, when you're working through your

castle, and you're working through the

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: 00:42:16

living situation that you're in, don't

you deserve a little bit of grace?

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: 00:42:22

A little bit of opportunity to be

happy, but even more importantly, to

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: 00:42:27

be able to estimate the true potential

that you have inside of yourself,

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because you're doing it not just for

yourself, but maybe you're doing it

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: 00:42:35

for your kids, your family members, or

somebody that you really love the most.

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: 00:42:42

You need to let go of whatever it is that

might be holding you back, but it doesn't

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mean that you can do it by yourself.

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: 00:42:53

With the right organization, with the

right possibilities to throw out the

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: 00:42:57

things that you don't need, and being

able to figure out what it is that

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: 00:43:01

you can expect with a best laid out

plan, you're going to be successful.

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: 00:43:09

You're going to be able to take on

things that you never thought you

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: 00:43:11

could ever do, and oh yeah, maybe

you'll finally let go of some of those

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: 00:43:16

old treasures that you might have;

maybe they weren't treasures at all.

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: 00:43:22

Maybe they were the broken pieces of

furniture, appliances, maybe other

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: 00:43:28

knick knacks that you no longer needed,

and you were just holding on to them,

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thinking that you did need them.

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When you start to let go, that means

you're starting to live once again.

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Thanks for listening to episode

number 112 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

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