Episode #190 - Raising The Next Generation of Leaders Through Example: An Interview With Danielle Angela

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Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode

number 190 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today, we have Dr.

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Danielle Angela with us, and Dr.

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Danielle is a profit strategist, money

coach, chiropractor, hypnotherapist,

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and neurosomatic release practitioner.

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Since 2015, Dr.

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Danielle has offered life and business

coaching for female health and wellness

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entrepreneurs, and has helped thousands

of business owners achieve greater

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work life balance and profitability,

achieving the top 3 percent of revenue

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generating female entrepreneurs in 2022.

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She's best known for helping service

providers overcome fears about money,

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charge their worth, and build highly

profitable freedom based businesses

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utilizing both business strategies

and somatic healing modalities from 20

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years in holistic health and wellness.

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As the host of her own podcast and

a new one called Wellness Plus Worth

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which has started in fall of 2024, Dr.

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Danielle has produced over 300 podcast

episodes in the last 8 years, and is

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a sought after speaker featured at

ble chiropractic events since: 2018

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Danielle's greatest achievement,

though, is raising three

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daughters as a single mom.

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I think this doctor, especially of

what she brings to the table today,

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really shares a number of different

perspectives, not only about what

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females can do, which we have featured

so many of them, being able to showcase

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their ability to become so much

more, but yet, at the same time, Dr.

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Danielle, at the heart, really

shares what freedom is all about.

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It isn't just about working hard

and having all these notable

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achievements which I just read,

but also about having a strong work

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ethic, having that balance, but yet

at the same time, building freedom.

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You need to figure out what's really

important, and I think we talk about what

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that important factor is especially in

this interview today, but with all the

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things that she has done to help herself

in her health, let that reality sink in.

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You can have a positive direction in your

life, regardless of the setbacks that you

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might have, but it's all about ownership.

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Being able to work on yourself, being

able to build that niche for yourself,

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that is, means that you have to work

on your challenges, but also creating

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those opportunities at the same time.

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It's a way in which we're able to find

not only freedom, but also being able to

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help others, and I think what you'll find

today with this interview is that Dr.

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Danielle has really improved not only her

life quality, but the life quality of so

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many others, because of her awesome work

doing that for so many others, regardless

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of what she might receive in return.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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We're here with Danielle Angela.

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Danielle, thanks for sharing

your heart with us today.

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Danielle: Thanks so much for having me.

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When we were chatting before we

were recording, you said, "Ask

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anything.", and I was like, "Great.

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What do I want to ask?"

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I think I'll just ask you: What has

been the best part of your day so far?

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Joshua: Ooh.

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That is a good question.

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I have to tell you.

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I have always enjoyed getting up

in the morning, and I got up super

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early this morning, and the favorite

thing I like doing is just coming

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in my office and grounding myself,

and I don't know what it is about

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grounding myself that kind of helps

me with my day, but I feel the energy.

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I feel a sensation of just all the things

that are moving in me, and it allows me

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to kind of center myself, so I like that

question, because I normally don't get

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asked that, so you kind of threw me off.

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That was a good thing.

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I'm glad you asked that.

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Danielle: That was the goal, right?

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Danielle: When you say grounding

yourself, what is it that you actually do?

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Joshua: I sometimes take my shoes

off fun fact, and literally, I

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have carpet in my office, so for my

listeners, I know this is just audio

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only, but I have carpet in my office.

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It's colored gray, and it's like that

thin carpet that you walk around.

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It's not squishy or anything like that.

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It doesn't have any padding.

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It's just laid there for purposes

of that, whatever nature it is to

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serve, but I try to ground myself

in it, and I do clean, okay?

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I don't want you to freak out because

like I do clean up, because I have clients

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coming in and all that, but I find it

that when I do that, and I'm just in

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touch with what is like around me, I

feel like there's a peace to that, and

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I don't know how to quite explain it.

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I've tried to explain this to other

people outside the show, but it's

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almost like it helps me with moving my

direction, and sometimes my direction

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is a little bit scattered, so it kind of

helps me to center that direction too,

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because I really am all about helping

other people, so I love that question.

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Thanks for getting me thinking about it.

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Danielle: Can I share my best

part of my day so far with you?

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Joshua: I want to hear that.

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Please do.

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Danielle: It's actually really funny

because you mentioned that the best

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part of your day was getting up, and

going into your office and grounding.

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The best part of my day was

completely the opposite.

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It was sleeping in late this morning.

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Joshua: Well, I'll tell you.

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I did that earlier this week, because

I had that sort of energy that I

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needed to have, so we need that rest,

and I even tell my clients that too.

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We need to have that rest.

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You got to listen to your body.

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Danielle: Yeah, my kids are with

their dad on Wednesday and Thursday

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nights, every week; at least that's

what we've been doing, and so when

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Wednesday comes, I'm just like, "Oh.

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Okay.

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Time for some rest.", so yeah.

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Sleeping in on Thursday mornings

is like- that's a big part of

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recovering from usually five

days or so of being a single mom.

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Joshua: Isn't that so interesting?

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It's the second part of the week, but

yet it's a Thursday, and for me, at

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least in my world, like that's a rarity

in itself that I'd be able to do that.

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Friday.

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Okay.

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Everybody kind of does it.

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We kind of "chillax."

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We know that the weekend's coming

up, but for me, a Thursday, if I get

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that blessing, that's pretty good.

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It has to feel pretty good for you

too, especially with like you said, you

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have the number of kids that you have.

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Danielle: Yes.

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Yeah.

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Thank you, actually, for mentioning

that because I think that is

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something that I haven't been a

business owner now since: 2012

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It's something that I take for granted.

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Having time freedom was the biggest reason

that I wanted to own my own business as

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far back as 2002, or 2003, and I have that

time freedom now in so many ways, and it's

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easy to look at what we don't have, right,

and still the ways that I want things

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to be different, but just hearing you

say that really reframed for me the time

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freedom that I actually do have already.

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Joshua: I want to dig into that as

actually my turn to ask a question

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because I am super interested in this

and I already let the listeners know a

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lot about you before we even got started.

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But what led you into wanting

to have that time freedom?

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Obviously.

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I know that your kids are very important

facet of your life, and I love that.

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I love hearing that, because sometimes

we forget about what the priorities

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are, what we're ultimately doing,

and you're one of the few guests I've

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had that prioritize that, so tell us.

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What has that meant for

you to have that freedom?

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Danielle: Well, as I mentioned,

I've really wanted to own my own

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business since around 2002 or 2003.

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I was 22 or 23 at that time,

and I had spent a number of

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years already working for other

people; working for big companies.

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Really, I worked for a

national pharmacy chain.

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I had worked in a few different

retail settings, and I always had

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to work someone else's schedule.

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I didn't get to choose my shifts.

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I didn't get to choose what time I

went into work or left work I mean, I

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can maybe make some requests, and my

bosses generally knew that I wasn't a

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morning person, and I prefer the evening

shift, if possible, but that wasn't

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necessarily ideal either, because who

wants to go to work at one, and not

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get home until 10 o'clock at night?

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I don't know.

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That doesn't sound great either, so

just from like very early on in my

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young adult years, I had a really

strong work ethic, and I thought, "Man.

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If I'm going to work this hard for any

business, it might as well be my own,

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so that I can make my own schedule."

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and then I started my own business

only after I had had my oldest child.

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She's now 13.

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She was one, I think, at the time, and I

started the business so that I could have

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more freedom to be with her and see her

grow up, because I felt like I was really

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missing out on a lot of her milestones.

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I left a job where I had a salary,

and paid vacations, and I had finally

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worked my way up to getting a corner

office with windows on two sides

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of the room after having no windows

for a long time, and lots of amazing

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benefits at the place that I worked at.

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I had no savings.

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I just quit my job, and I was like,

"I'm going to start a business.", and

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that's what I did, but I found really

quickly that it wasn't quite as easy as

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I thought that it was going to be not

necessarily in regards to business growth.

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I was really good at getting the

business to grow, but it wasn't good at

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was prioritizing myself and my family.

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For quite a while, I let the business

be the most important thing in my

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life, and the thing that I did pretty

much every day of the week, but that's

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what I thought that I needed to do to

be successful, so that's what I did.

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Joshua: Yeah, and I've worked

with some business owners.

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I've worked with people that are

potentially business owners too,

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where they have even said some of

the things that you've said, where

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they feel that balance, trying to

find it, which I have even learned,

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even myself, and I've been doing

this now for a little over two years.

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There's no such thing as balance.

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You're really busy, and then

you're really slow, but you also

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find ways that you prioritize

your personal time in doing that.

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I'm kind of curious.

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What led you to finding where

you needed to work on that more?

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Was there a breaking point for you?

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Was there something else that happened?

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I'm curious how that came about for you.

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Danielle: Yeah.

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I had started my business, and then,

maybe a year or two later, I conceived

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a pregnancy that was not planned,

although I was very excited, and

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I thought, "Well, this is amazing.

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This is an excuse for me to now change

how I'm working, and start to make some

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changes in my business so that I'm able to

be more present with my kids.", and near

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the end of the first trimester of that

pregnancy, I had a miscarriage, and I was

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really, really torn up by that experience.

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It was very difficult, and then, eight

weeks later, I was pregnant again, and at

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that point I felt like nothing was more

important to me than having a healthy

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baby, and if it meant walking away

from my career, then that's what I was

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going to do, and so that's what I did.

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I handed the keys of my business over

to another chiropractor that I had known

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since before either of us had ever gone to

chiropractic school, so I had a great deal

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of trust in him, and I was like, "Here.

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You take this.

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I don't want it anymore.", and

he was like, "Are you sure?"

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I'm like, "Yeah.

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Let's just make this easy.",

and I gave him the keys.

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I walked away, and in that next phase

of my life, I had a lot more space,

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obviously, than I'd had for a long time.

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I started to study listening to

podcasts, reading a lot of books.

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I took a course in online

business, and I thought, "This

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is what I have been missing."

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The course that I took was simply

about designing a business that fits

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around your lifestyle, instead of

building a business, and then trying

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to, maybe one day, have some life.

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It was such an eyeopening concept to me.

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I had never heard someone explain

business ownership in that way before,

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or the potential to have a business

that really did allow you to have

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time freedom, even though that was

the thing I had been wanting for so

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long, at that point, over a decade.

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What I did next then was I started to take

what I had been learning from podcasts,

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and books, about online entrepreneurship

and apply it to my profession, which

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was chiropractic, and I realized if

I could take some of the things that

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I've learned outside of my industry,

and apply it to my industry, I can also

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help a lot of people, because there's a

very high burnout rate in chiropractic.

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There's a high burnout rate in

any kind of caring position-

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Joshua: Yes.

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Danielle: A caring role.

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Joshua: My mom was a LPN before

she retired, and she worked

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at a nursing facility, so I

completely understand that context.

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Yeah.

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Danielle: Yeah.

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Yeah, so that's what I did next.

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I just started to kind

of create a methodology.

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I started to help more women, who

were also chiropractors, who also

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had children, who felt like I did.

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If this is what it takes to be successful

in practice, I don't want to do

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this, but is there maybe another way?

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How can I make this look different,

and that's sort of the beginning

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of my online business journey.

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Joshua: When you say that you listened

to podcasts, or even books for

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that matter, can you give us like

a couple of those that maybe you

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listened to that were inspirational,

because I feel, sometimes, when some

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people have said even to me, "Hey.

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You should check this out.", they

throw me to Simon Sinek, John Maxwell.

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Those are the business gurus, leadership

thought experts, but in your field,

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I'm sure that there are people that

would probably love to hear even what

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you inspired to, what you aspired

to, I should say, based on what you

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had listened to, so I wonder if you

can share what some of those were.

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Danielle: One of the first things

that comes to my mind is a podcast

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that was hosted by two high school

A&P biology teachers; AP biology.

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One of the teachers, I believe, lives

in Montana, and one, perhaps, in

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New York or New Jersey, somewhere on

the East Coast; like Northeast, and

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I was listening to their podcast.

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I don't exactly remember how I found it.

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I think one of them had a YouTube

channel where he taught different

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concepts regarding biology, or anatomy,

physiology, and so I would sometimes use

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his videos in class when I taught part

time at a university during this time,

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and I would just use some of his videos

to explain concepts, especially if they

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were concepts that I struggled to teach

myself, so I would just use the video.

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" Well!

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Here you go, everyone.", so then I found

the podcast that he and another instructor

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had started, and by listening to the

podcast on my drive back and forth from

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work every day, I thought, "You know what?

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If these two guys can do this,

I bet I could do this too."

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When you first asked the question,

"What was I listening to?", I tried

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to remember the name of the podcast.

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At first, I thought, "It

was Vertical Horizon.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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That's a band."

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I think the name of the podcast was

actually Horizontal Transfer, which

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is like a chemistry kind of term.

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I don't know if it's still out there.

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It might be findable.

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Another resource that was

really important to me.

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The course, actually, that I took was B

School, and that's taught by Marie Forleo.

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She still teaches it today.

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It's quite a bit different now than it

was then, but it's a very in depth course.

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There's a lot of

information packed into it.

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It's really best for people that

don't have a business yet, or they've

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really been trying to start one,

and it's just not gotten anywhere.

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I would say, even further than that, for

people that want to transition from like

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a corporate job into entrepreneurship,

and they know that they want to

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do that in an online way as well.

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Joshua: I asked you that question

on purpose, because, to kind of

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switch gears a bit, now you're

even hosting your own podcast.

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You're doing all kinds of episodes.

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You're helping people to find that

money, to find that opportunity

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to serve or overcome fears with

that, as it says on your website.

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I'm wondering if you can tell us a little

bit of why that was the specific niche

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that you chosen, because, like you said.

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You were doing chiropractor work,

you were doing all kinds of other

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things in your life, so I'm wondering.

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Why was that the focus?

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Was there something that kind of led

you into thinking that, or maybe it

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was a gift that you haven't used?

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I'm kind of really fascinated by

how that shift had occurred to you.

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Danielle: Well, really, when I first

started to try to start an online

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business, I wasn't going in the direction

of supporting female chiropractors.

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I have a sports chiropractic background.

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I have a master's degree in

sports science and rehabilitation.

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I worked in a gym when I was in

college I used to sell gym memberships.

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I did personal training.

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I've taught group fitness, so I

kind of come from that world, so I

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thought that would be what I would

focus on in my online business, and

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really, I never could create traction.

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I felt like I was doing a lot of busy

work, but wasn't actually growing a

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business, and I eventually got to a

point where I was getting so frustrated.

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I hired a business coach, and worked

with her personally, and she was like,

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"I think that we just need to refine

who it is that you're helping, what

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you're helping them with.", and through

our conversations, in our very first

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session, she said, "Are you sure that

you don't want to be doing business

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coaching for female chiropractors?",

and I was like, "I can't do that.

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I'm not qualified to do

that.", and she said, Mmhmm.

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Okay."

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but then within just a couple of

weeks, that's what we had settled

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on, and once I made that decision,

everything started to shift.

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My business really started

to take off from there.

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Joshua: Do I hear a little

bit of detection of imposter

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syndrome as we got started?

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Danielle: Oh yeah.

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Joshua: What were some of the initial

thoughts that were running through your

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head, because I love the fact, first off,

you're working with a business coach.

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Even for myself, coaches need

coaches, and I'm even trying to

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do that even in my life right now.

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I'm wondering for you, what

was the ultimate turning point

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for that to push forward?

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Was it something that

she said as your coach?

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Was it something that you kind of

reminisced on and said, "You know.

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I'm getting in my own way."

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what was that switch moment

for you; that light switch that

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turned on that made that happen?

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Danielle: Well, I thought, "If I can

step away from the fear, the doubt, that

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imposter syndrome, then maybe I would

be able to help women have a different

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experience than what I had, and help

them to just be happier, and have more

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longevity in the career that we chose."

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We invest a lot to go

to chiropractic school.

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The cost is very high.

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It's similar to medical school in regard

to length, and cost, and difficulty,

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and so, a lot of chiropractors

finished chiropractic school with $200,

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$300,000 of student loan debt, and

that is a lot of money to pay back.

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It's a lot.

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It's very difficult if you leave the

chiropractic profession, because,

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unfortunately, our degree doesn't

really offer another career path

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outside of entrepreneurship where

we have the same earning potential.

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Some of the statistics say that

female chiropractors, the majority

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stopped practicing five years after

graduation, and so that means the

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vast majority of cases, they've not

made a dent on their student loan debt

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in those first five years of their

career, then they might become stay at

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home moms, or maybe, they're working

part time at a school like I did.

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They might completely change careers,

and go into real estate, but regardless,

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their earning potential decreases

significantly, and then they're stuck

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with that student loan debt for decades.

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It's a vicious cycle, and I thought,

"Maybe this is the way to go.

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Maybe I can help some people avoid that

scenario, and I'll follow this business

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coach's advice and see what happens."

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Joshua: It was almost like

a leap of faith for you.

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Danielle: Very much.

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Yes.

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Joshua: You remind me a little bit of

what even my journey has been, because I

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thought I would be a lawyer by this point.

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I would have been successful in the

courtroom, and doing all kinds of

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amazing things, but the one thing that

stood in my way was the: 2008

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crash, which defined a whole generation

of millennials in terms of what their

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path was, and a lot of lawyers were

being rescinded job offers at firms

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at that time, and I kind of thought to

myself, "If I did this, and also went

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to law school, I would be hundreds of

thousands of dollars in debt without

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anything to show for it.", but I find

it that I'm glad that I didn't do that,

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looking back, for a variety of reasons.

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Even as you say, you look back, and

you can see all these other people that

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maybe have not made it, or had made

it made some moderate success, but to

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say that you worked with someone to

take that to that next level and see

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the results that you have, that speaks

volumes, and I want to point this out.

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It's a very important point, and

I even shared with my listeners

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that you even have accomplished.

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You have made seven figures now as

a successful female entrepreneur.

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You're in the top 3 percent

as of the last few years.

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What has that meant for you to

go from where you were kind of

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questioning yourself, to now

being in this success category?

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Does that mean for you

though that are you stopping?

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Keep on plowing forward?

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What does it mean for you

to have this success, but to

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also continue helping others?

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What does it mean?

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Danielle: Oh, wow.

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That's a great question.

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I earned that ranking, I guess you could

say, and yet, it's often really hard

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for me to, like, really connect with it.

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Like, "Wow!

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I've really done that.

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I've really done that.

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Okay."

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but I'll be very transparent here, and

a big part of the reason why it's felt

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difficult for me to own that is because

I'm not debt free, and a big part of the

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reason why I'm not debt free is because

I experienced financial abuse in a

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previous relationship, and it's going to

take me quite some time to recover from

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that, so, in regards to continuing to

grow as an entrepreneur, that's a yes.

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I have really big financial goals ahead

of me, especially now as a single mom,

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and I also feel like I'm just really

starting to come into ownership of

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my purpose in all of this, which has

become bigger than maybe helping some

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other doctors stay in practice longer.

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For me, it's become like if health and

wellness practitioners of all kinds

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are successful in their business,

that means that they're helping more

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people, and if they're helping more

people, then surely, the outcome

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of that is that we have a healthier

community at large, right, and so

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that's really the bigger mission for me.

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That's a way that I can

make a legacy, essentially.

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If I can help more business owners be

successful in their business, and they're

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helping their clients, whether they're

coaches, doctors, massage therapists,

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acupuncturists, whatever it might be,

then we are all collectively making a more

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significant impact in our communities.

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Joshua: Wow.

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I was not expecting that as an answer.

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I was waiting for you to be like, "Yeah.

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You know, I'm great.

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I have employees.

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I have people that work for me.

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I'm doing what I want to do now.

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I have that time freedom.", and you threw

a curveball at me that I would have never

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expected, and now I see why this is such

a passion for you, Danielle, because

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helping other people to achieve that

you're working through that, despite all

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the things that have happened, and we

don't even have to dig into it, because

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to me, just hearing that tells me so

much about your personality of why this

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is so important to you, why you want

to help females, because that is what

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drives you, because you have seen that.

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You're working on it still, and

yeah, you admitted like you might

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: 00:25:03

not have all the pieces together,

but I'm still working on it.

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I'm willing to work with others

because I've seen the success from it.

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: 00:25:11

What has it meant for you to be able

to continue doing this journey then,

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: 00:25:16

helping these people that maybe are in

a similar situation for you, and they

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have been achieving success, so in other

words, when you've worked with these

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people that are looking for the same.

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: 00:25:28

Maybe they were looking

for that financial freedom.

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Maybe they're looking for that time

back as you've have said, like you

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want to have that time freedom.

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: 00:25:35

Has that helped you in your own

personal journey to attain what

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: 00:25:39

you have today, and if it has, why?

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: 00:25:42

In what way?

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Danielle: Well, what comes to ,me at

first, just hearing your question.

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I don't know that this really answers

your question directly, but, over the

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last two years since becoming a single

mom, working with my clients has been

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one of the most important things for

me, and I've become a better facilitator

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in combination of experiencing hard

things in life, myself, and being able

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to relate to all different kinds of

challenges that people face in real

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life, and creating a safe space for them.

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Also, when I can say, "Wow.

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I've been through something very similar,

and I know that you're going to be okay."

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: 00:26:18

As well as just like the actual

practice of improving my skills-

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Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:26:25

Danielle: And learning new techniques

and new modalities as a coach, and so

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: 00:26:29

what has happened is my client's results

are blowing my mind the last couple of

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years, especially over the last year.

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: 00:26:37

Sometimes things happen for them, and they

share messages with me, and I'm like, How?

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How?

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: 00:26:44

How is this happening?

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This is amazing.", and sitting down at

my computer for a while, a few years

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: 00:26:50

ago, it used to feel like I was just kind

of going through the motions, or like

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: 00:26:55

counting down the minutes with people,

but now I am in a much different place.

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Oftentimes, I come to sit down at my desk

to meet with clients through Zoom, and I'm

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so dialed in, so focused on serving them,

that I leave feeling energized, and happy,

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and proud of the work that we're doing.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:27:16

I understand that feeling so well

even with the clients that I've worked

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with, and I feel that we have that

extra attention that we give, not just

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: 00:27:25

because they pay for us and pay for

the time, but knowing that they're

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: 00:27:30

working on themselves, and seeing

that they have that mind shift, or

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: 00:27:34

they're working on that business, or

they're working on whatever it is.

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I find that has been such a

rewarding experience out of

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everything I've been doing myself.

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I can relate to exactly what you're

saying, and I think that for people

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that achieve that it takes a special

kind of recognition for them to give

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themselves that space to say, "Yes.

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I was here, but I'm now here,

and I'm rising even further.

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I'm climbing that staircase, and I

see where that growth has taken us."

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I love that.

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I really do.

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: 00:28:06

I want to end with this, because

you also were working on a

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: 00:28:11

podcast that you are launching.

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: 00:28:13

It will be launched by

this episode when it airs.

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: 00:28:16

It's called the Charging

Your Worth Podcast.

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: 00:28:20

I wonder if you could tell our

listeners a little bit about that,

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: 00:28:22

and also congratulations on your

podcast that you had, which I

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: 00:28:26

would love if you shared that to.

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: 00:28:28

Having over 250 episodes is a crazy

thing to be doing in this day and age.

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: 00:28:33

I'm getting closer to that number,

believe it or not, with my schedule,

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: 00:28:36

but it's funny to see people that are

just pouring their hearts into content

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: 00:28:41

like that, so I wonder if we could talk

a little bit about that to wrap up.

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: 00:28:45

Danielle: Yeah.

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: 00:28:45

I've had a podcast since 2015.

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: 00:28:48

That's a long time.

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: 00:28:49

That's nine years.

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: 00:28:50

Joshua: It is.

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: 00:28:50

Danielle: Nine years of life that

I have given time, and energy,

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: 00:28:54

and money to, creating something

that hopefully has helped people.

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I say that to just also acknowledge you

for being at the point that you're at,

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having dedication, and the motivation, the

discipline that it takes to do something

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: 00:29:12

week after week, month after month,

and sometimes year after year, and as a

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: 00:29:17

podcaster, we sit behind a microphone.

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: 00:29:20

Sometimes we're talking with one or

two other people on the screen, and

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: 00:29:23

sometimes we're talking to ourselves,

and we don't know if anyone's listening,

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: 00:29:27

so it can be a challenging journey.

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It's definitely a labor

of love, so I do, yes.

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My original podcast is still out there.

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: 00:29:35

You can find it at the

healthandwellnesspractitionerspodcast.com.

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: 00:29:38

All 250 episodes are there.

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: 00:29:41

There's a lot of discussion for

the practitioner who owns their

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: 00:29:46

own business and wants to grow.

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: 00:29:49

Maybe they're looking at different,

unconventional methods, such as like

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: 00:29:52

having in person services combined

with virtual offerings as well, so

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: 00:29:58

there's a lot of good stuff there.

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: 00:29:59

I also talk a lot in the podcast about

managing and preventing burnout, and

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: 00:30:05

that's something that I speak and teach

on now for continuing education purposes.

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: 00:30:08

I teach a course for doctors

where I'm educating them on the

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: 00:30:14

diagnostic criteria for burnout.

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That means they can go back to their

practice, and see their patients, and

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: 00:30:21

know, clinically, what does the research

say the criteria are for a diagnosis of

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: 00:30:28

burnout in a patient, and then if the

diagnosis is made, what's the prognosis?

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: 00:30:33

What are the best practices, or management

tools and strategies, and then, open

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: 00:30:39

discussion around can we prevent burnout?

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: 00:30:42

Do we even know if we can do that, or do

we just relegate ourselves to, "It's going

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: 00:30:48

to happen to a certain percentage of us."

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: 00:30:50

Moving forward then with the new

podcast, it'll be a similar vibe, I

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: 00:30:55

suppose, because I'm the same person,

but a different focus is really

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: 00:30:59

going to be for service providers.

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: 00:31:01

They're good at what they do, and they

may, or may not, know that, and yet, as

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: 00:31:06

good as they are at what they do, they're

still struggling financially, and it's

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: 00:31:11

a really difficult place to be in, so,

that can apply for a lot of different

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: 00:31:16

professions: coaches, all kinds of

health and wellness practitioners, but

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: 00:31:20

I have a friend who owns a junk hauling

removal business, and even for him,

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: 00:31:26

the struggle is also the same as it has

been for me and for many of my clients.

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: 00:31:32

The more money he makes, the more

challenging it gets, because when he's

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: 00:31:38

making more money that means he's got more

clients, and more clients means more time,

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: 00:31:42

and he's still working a full time job.

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: 00:31:44

Joshua: Yes.

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: 00:31:45

Yes.

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: 00:31:46

Danielle: One of the things that he

struggles with is he gets requests

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: 00:31:48

for jobs, and he'll write a bid,

and people are like, "Oh, really?

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: 00:31:52

It's that inexpensive?

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: 00:31:54

Oh yeah!

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I'll hire you now.

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: 00:31:56

Here's the money.", and

then he's like, "Ugh!

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: 00:31:58

I should have charged him more.

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: 00:32:00

It was too easy."

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: 00:32:01

Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:32:01

Danielle: He's also had times where

he's created bids for jobs that he

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: 00:32:05

didn't really want the job, and he

bid a little higher than what he

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: 00:32:09

thought the person would be willing

to pay, and then they were like, "Oh.

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: 00:32:12

Okay."

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: 00:32:13

They hired him anyway, so, regardless

of what kind of service you provide in

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: 00:32:18

your business, we all struggle with this

balance of being in service truly to

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: 00:32:23

people, while also protecting ourselves,

and protecting our longevity, and ensuring

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: 00:32:28

that we're not just working our lives

away, but we're building wealth that

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: 00:32:33

we can pass on to our families one day

that we can live secure lives with.

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: 00:32:37

For a long time, I think that the status

quo, or the expectation, was that if

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: 00:32:42

you care about people, you'll do what

you do for free, and that might seem

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: 00:32:47

very noble, but it's not realistic.

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: 00:32:51

Money as a resource, and when we feel a

resource, we feel safe, we feel secure,

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: 00:32:58

and when we feel safe and secure, we're

able to be co-regulators with people who

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: 00:33:04

need help, so the best way that we can

help other people is to be resourced,

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: 00:33:10

and money is just a part of that.

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: 00:33:11

That's kind of my long

answer to your question.

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: 00:33:15

Joshua: No.

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: 00:33:15

I love that long answer.

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: 00:33:17

You touched on so many different parts

that I wish if we had more time, we'd dive

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: 00:33:21

into more of those, but the one thing I

will pull out of it is the importance of

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: 00:33:26

building that worth so that not only are

you able to become the best version of

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: 00:33:32

yourself, which I use in my side of it to

help propel what is needed for our future.

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: 00:33:38

You're bringing the piece that we often

are afraid to talk about, and I was afraid

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: 00:33:42

to talk about when I first started, and

now I've gotten a lot more comfortable

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: 00:33:45

with, which is charging your worth.

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: 00:33:47

Being able to share what that is all

about is important to give yourself that

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: 00:33:53

love and respect that you deserve, and I

think there's such a balance with that.

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: 00:33:56

Absolutely.

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: 00:33:57

Danielle: Yeah.

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: 00:33:58

Joshua: Danielle, I want to say thank

you so much for being part of this show.

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: 00:34:02

I want to give you the last few

minutes though here before we wrap up.

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: 00:34:05

If people are interested in learning

how to charge their worth and being

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: 00:34:09

able to work with you, I wonder if

you can share a little bit of how

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: 00:34:12

they can do that: maybe your website,

your social media, all those things.

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: 00:34:17

Obviously, I'll put that in the episode

notes, but I wonder if you could

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: 00:34:19

also share it here for our listeners.

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: 00:34:22

Danielle: Yeah.

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For the new podcast, there is a

wait list available on my website.

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: 00:34:26

If you just land on the homepage,

drdanielleangela.com, then you can

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: 00:34:31

submit your name and email address

there to be notified when the new

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: 00:34:34

podcast is ready, and in the meantime,

come hang out with me on social media.

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: 00:34:38

I'm on Facebook and

Instagram @drdanielleangela.

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: 00:34:41

Instagram, I'm very, very dialed in

right now on a specific topic that I'm

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: 00:34:46

helping people with, which is for service

providers to get more referrals into

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: 00:34:50

their business so they can stop wasting

time on marketing, and advertising, that

589

: 00:34:53

they don't really want to be doing in the

first place,, so if that's something that

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: 00:34:56

you want to learn more about, Instagram

is definitely the place to come hang out.

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: 00:35:00

Joshua: There you go.

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: 00:35:00

Go on Instagram.

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I'll have the link in the episode notes.

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: 00:35:04

You want to check that out,

and check out her handle.

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: 00:35:06

Danielle, I just want to say.

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: 00:35:08

I really appreciate you

being so open here today.

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It takes a lot of

vulnerability to share that.

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We want to help people, but we also have

to help ourselves first, and I love that

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you're still working on yourself, despite

the fact that you've achieved what many

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people would love to call success when

you say that, "Oh, I'm a seven figure

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business owner.", but financially, that

doesn't mean that you have everything

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: 00:35:32

that you ever want to achieve, and I

love that the pursuit of wanting to help

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women, to help their businesses, to help

others, that's just so admirable to me.

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It's something that just goes right

to the heart, for even me personally,

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of why I have people like you on the

show, because it's just so important to

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share that mission, share that purpose,

so for all those reasons, thanks for

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being on Speaking From The Heart today.

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I really loved the conversation and I wish

you much more success in your business.

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Danielle: Thank you.

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Joshua: I want to thank Dr.

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Danielle Angela again so much for being

part of the show, being able to share

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so much of her story, creating that

context for us of what it means to

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ground yourself, to focus on what really

matters the most, and she even said it

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in the beginning, it's about the kids.

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The kids are most important.

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You need to be able to prioritize what is

needed, and I appreciate her perspective,

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especially with everything that she's

achieved, being able to be the top

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three percent revenue generating female

entrepreneur, but yet at the same time,

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having this freedom that she's building,

that strength, and that's sometimes

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very hard, regardless of your gender,

to be able to achieve, because that

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means we have to look introspectively,

not only on what we need to work on,

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but also, in her case, and amongst

many other Americans that are single

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parents, having to take care of your

kids, finding those opportunities for

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ourselves so that we are able to grow

and prosper, but that also means that

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: 00:37:03

we have to have a strong work ethic.

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: 00:37:05

That's so important for our overall

development, and being able to start and

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: 00:37:09

grow that means that we have to figure

out what is truly important to us, but

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you have to find first that engagement.

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: 00:37:17

You need to find a place in

which you can put that trust

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into somebody, or something, so

that you can build a business.

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: 00:37:23

You can build your life with someone.

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: 00:37:25

You can even do things that you never

thought you could ever do, and I

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think that lifestyle is something that

we need to talk about for a moment.

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Is it about building a business so

that you can have that life, or is

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: 00:37:38

it about building your lifestyle,

so that you can have that business?

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I think that we use the time that

we're granted in a variety of ways.

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That content, that ability for us

to get ahead in life means that

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: 00:37:50

we have to shift our mindsets, and

that means that we have differing

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: 00:37:54

priorities of what those mindsets are.

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: 00:37:58

For Danielle's case, personal

training, health aspects, being

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: 00:38:02

able to take on those goals.

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: 00:38:04

That means that she, for many number

of years, worked with other people.

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: 00:38:09

She had to learn her craft.

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: 00:38:11

That fear, and that doubt, that we

have to overcome might come from not

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: 00:38:16

only longevity, which is a big part of

what we talked about today, but it's

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: 00:38:21

about also leading outside of this.

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: 00:38:24

How do we develop a successful career

so that we can help others, so that

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: 00:38:29

we are able to be the best versions of

who we are, and I think that's a very

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: 00:38:33

tough concept, because what defines

successful might be subjective in

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: 00:38:37

many people's perspectives and views,

but even with all those things said,

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: 00:38:42

success is something that we have to

define through not only our goal setting

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: 00:38:47

process, which is why defining them

is so important, but overcoming that

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: 00:38:51

fear, that doubt that we're not able to

overcome those things, which is why once

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: 00:38:56

we learn new things, and we learn what

we've done wrong in the past, that's

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what makes businesses really successful.

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: 00:39:04

That's what make people really successful,

is that they're able to overcome, get

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: 00:39:09

themselves in a positive direction,

despite any kind of setback that they

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might have, but more importantly, taking

ownership of what their actions were.

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I'll tell you.

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If there's anybody that has ever been an

expert on that, especially since being

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: 00:39:23

on this show, it's this person here that

you're listening to: your podcast host

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: 00:39:30

I've had to deal with so many different

things in my life that, for a long time,

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I didn't want to take ownership of those.

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That meant that I was weak, and as a

male, that can be very difficult, but

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: 00:39:42

even then, I think we can equally say,

in one respect or another, that we all

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: 00:39:47

have different situations, and that's

not to "mansplain" this situation.

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: 00:39:52

That's just to say that we all

go through these difficulties.

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: 00:39:55

The way in which we weigh that difficulty,

though, really depends on how much we're

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willing to put into it, but also how

much we're willing to change so that

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: 00:40:04

we can become better than what we were

in the past, but we have to realize

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: 00:40:09

that we could still be working on our

own challenges, but we also need to

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: 00:40:13

be working on our own opportunities.

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: 00:40:15

We need to be able to improve.

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: 00:40:17

Being able to be dialed in and focused,

not burning yourself out, means that

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: 00:40:22

you have to learn what is it that

you're really attuned to, and we've

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: 00:40:26

had many people that have had to go

through burnout before they were able

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: 00:40:30

to get to really where they were today.

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: 00:40:33

Being able to serve that population

niche, being able to protect ourselves,

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: 00:40:38

it means that we have to learn from each

other what has been successful, what has

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: 00:40:42

been failures, which is why coaching,

which is why masterminds, which is why

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: 00:40:46

small groups have been such a big turning

point, especially in the last 20 years,

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: 00:40:51

especially when we see the wide vibrancy

of so many of those groups, wanting to

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: 00:40:57

take on that challenge; wanting to help

people become better, whether that's

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: 00:41:01

learning a new skill, whether that's

having some sort of accountability,

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: 00:41:05

or just challenging that status quo.

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: 00:41:08

It's no secret that even Your Speaking

Voice LLC dives into that quite a lot.

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: 00:41:13

Even with all the things

that we offer, it's all about

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: 00:41:16

accountability at the end of the day.

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: 00:41:18

That's what we want you to have so that

you're able to become better than you

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: 00:41:22

once thought you could be, but it means

that you have to start somewhere, and

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: 00:41:26

that means you have to ground yourself.

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Learn what those problems are.

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: 00:41:30

Trying to address what those things

are, not necessarily by yourself, but

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by working with somebody, or a group of

people, that will help you every step

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: 00:41:39

of the way to become better than you

once thought possible, and for all those

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: 00:41:45

reasons, being able to attain freedom

might be the most scariest thing that you

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: 00:41:50

would ever do, and I can understand why,

oh why, you would feel very much inclined

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: 00:41:56

to not have anything to do with it at all.

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: 00:42:00

We got to remember.

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Who are we really doing it for, and

as I reflect on even our conversation

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today, I often want to challenge

myself on the phrase of "kids."

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danielle obviously has three daughters.

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: 00:42:15

Those daughters are super important to

her, as any parent would consider their

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: 00:42:19

kids to be very important as a whole,

but for me, I don't have that luxury.

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: 00:42:25

I don't have any kids.

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: 00:42:27

It's something that I feel like I have

missed out in life, but yet at the same

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: 00:42:31

time, I know that there's always an

opportunity, and I know that at one point

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: 00:42:35

or another, God, or somebody else, will

direct me into a focus that will allow

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: 00:42:40

me to have those kids, but when I look

at the bigger picture of all the things

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: 00:42:45

that we're talking about here today,

maybe we should redefine what kids are.

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: 00:42:51

Kids are not necessarily the

physical beings, the manifestations

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: 00:42:55

of what we create, or are they?

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: 00:42:58

Kids can be something much more.

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It could be what we leave as a legacy.

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: 00:43:02

It could be what we write as a book.

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: 00:43:04

Maybe even something that we sing,

play, even instruments for that matter.

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: 00:43:08

Maybe it's something that we discovered

in science, technology, or some

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: 00:43:12

other mathematical formula that will

allow us to travel to the distant

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: 00:43:16

galaxies that are light years away.

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: 00:43:19

Maybe the kids that we're trying to

develop also means being able to advance

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: 00:43:23

artificial intelligence, robotics,

technology, the actual things that we use

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: 00:43:28

on this planet Earth to become better, to

become smarter, to have more ingenuity.

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All these different things, these kids

that we leave, are lasting legacies and

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: 00:43:39

opportunities for us to really develop a

number of different things, so as I look

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: 00:43:44

at my notes and I look at and reflect

on the conversation Danielle and I had

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: 00:43:49

today, I think that we can leave a lasting

impact, not just on that profitability,

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: 00:43:54

not just on the things that we've been

able to heal from, but also figuring out

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: 00:43:59

what it means to create engagement in new

ways that we had never thought possible.

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: 00:44:05

As I've always advocated on this

show, it's not just about the people

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: 00:44:09

that we surround ourselves with.

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It's about who we influence for those

people to surround ourselves with,

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: 00:44:17

and what we're willing to contribute

as part of that bigger whole.

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I think that we often miss the mark

when it comes to the busyness of

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our life, and saying that it's all

about me, because at the end of the

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: 00:44:29

day, me doesn't always mean you.

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: 00:44:34

Do you get me?

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: 00:44:35

It's not just about the individuality.

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: 00:44:38

It's also about what we're

willing to do, what we're willing

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to sacrifice, for our kids.

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: 00:44:44

It's not just who we gave birth to.

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: 00:44:47

It isn't who we actually raise to

take on the mantle when we pass

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: 00:44:52

away because of old age, or some

other unfortunate circumstance.

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: 00:44:57

It means that we have to leave

kids lasting impressions of

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: 00:45:01

ourselves, regardless of what

fear, doubt, insecurity, and other

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: 00:45:05

sort of influence might do to us.

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: 00:45:09

It's about really letting reality sink

in, once and for all, that we're all

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: 00:45:13

in this together, and that one setback

lets all of us, and allows all of

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: 00:45:19

us, to have those setbacks as well.

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: 00:45:22

We can be working on our own

challenges together, but that

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: 00:45:25

means that we also have to improve.

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: 00:45:28

Being focused and being dialed in

doesn't mean that you're a bad person.

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: 00:45:32

It means that you need that time, at that

instantaneous moment, to become better,

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: 00:45:37

but serving that overall population, being

able to protect ourselves, means that

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: 00:45:42

we also have to have a shared community,

so today, I think what we learned from

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: 00:45:47

this conversation isn't just about what

we want to achieve, but what we can all

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: 00:45:52

achieve if we're just willing to rewire

our brain and use the "kid methodology"

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: 00:45:58

a little bit differently than we might

have traditionally done in the past.

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: 00:46:03

That selfishness, that morbid curiosity of

ourselves to actually discover something,

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might not just be for ourselves, and

I think that in the practice that our

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guest has served in, I can understand

why she wants to continuously do better.

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: 00:46:19

It's why I want to do better.

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: 00:46:21

It isn't just because of my legacy.

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: 00:46:23

It isn't because I want some sort

of impression made on somebody else

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: 00:46:26

that's positive, because let's face it.

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: 00:46:29

I can get that anywhere in my life.

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: 00:46:31

I could even pay for that positivity

from somebody that's willing to be a

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: 00:46:35

cheerleader, rooting me on, working for

my business, but I really encourage you.

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: 00:46:41

Do you really want to have kids that are

selfish, self centered, and not thinking

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: 00:46:46

of everybody else, or would you rather

have kids that leave a lasting legacy,

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: 00:46:51

take care of others, especially even you

for that matter, and allow other people

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: 00:46:56

to see their true worth, their true value?

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: 00:46:59

Regardless of whatever way that you

want to look at it, being a proud parent

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: 00:47:03

doesn't always mean that you have to

look at just what's on the surface.

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: 00:47:07

You can look at what's underneath that

surface, what really comprises who

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: 00:47:11

they are and what they've been able to

do, all because of your influence to

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: 00:47:16

become better versions of themselves,

so I hope that as you find that

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: 00:47:20

freedom, you find that adventure that

you want to be on, be like our guest.

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: 00:47:25

Be like those kids that are out there.

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: 00:47:28

Make a profound impact, doing what you're

doing for all the right reasons, and I

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: 00:47:33

will say to you that not only are you

leaving that lasting legacy, but that

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: 00:47:38

is something that your kids, regardless

of which way you want to look at them,

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: 00:47:42

will be able to continue to push forward

for the rest of their lives, whether

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: 00:47:47

they're physical manifestations or not.

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Thanks for listening to episode

number 190 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

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: 00:48:01

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