Episode 199
Episode #194 - Finding Joy In All The Places Of Our Lives: An Interview With Andrea Fung
Joy is a sensation that can have multiple applications in our well being. Whether it is for physical or mental purposes and/or refinements, joy can be the epiphany of why we perform the activities that we tend to do. The path towards finding joy can be riddled with many different obstacles, both in our personal lives and even for our career calling. Today's guest, Andrea Fung, shares her transformational journey from being a lawyer to become a healer through another means. The life that we are dictated to lead can provide no joy, but when we have the "breadcrumbs" that lead us to a greater calling, there is no denying the healing potential it can have not only on yourself, but on others as well.
Guest Bio
Andea Fung is former lawyer turned Transformational Coach and Energy Healer for corporate professionals and soulful entrepreneurs based in Australia and Malaysia. With 6 years of experience in the legal sector she has intimate encounters with the wide spectrum of challenges faced by high achieving professionals and is now dedicated towards helping these ambitious business professionals achieve fulfillment and find purpose in their lives. As a certified NLP practitioner and Thetahealer, Andrea adopts a holistic approach in empowering her clients to unearth the wellspring of happiness within themselves.
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Transcript
Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and
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:determination all converge into
an amazing, heartfelt experience.
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:This is Speaking From The Heart.
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:Joshua: Welcome back to episode
number 194 of Speaking from the Heart.
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:Today we have Andrea Fung with us,
and Andrea is a former lawyer turned
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:transformational coach and energy
healer for corporate professionals
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:and soulful entrepreneurs based
in Australia and Malaysia.
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:With six years of experience in the legal
sector, she has intimate encounters with
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:the wide spectrum of challenges faced by
high achieving professionals and is now
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:dedicated towards helping these ambitious
business professionals achieve fulfillment
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:and find their purpose in their lives.
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:As a certified NLP practitioner and
Thetahealer, Andrea adopts a holistic
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:approach in empowering her clients to
unearth the wellspring of happiness within
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:themselves, and boy, oh boy, do we have
a little bit of a firecracker here on
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:today's episode, and you're going to see
why, and I had so many great conversations
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:after this interview today with Andrea
that I really got to understand what
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:motivates her, what empowers her to help
these individuals move from the place
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:that they are at: point A, all the way
to point Z, and beyond for that matter,
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:especially when it comes to her coaching,
but the interesting dynamic that I don't
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:think I've ever had on this show thus far
is how somebody, especially turning their
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:career from a lawyer into being able to
help others, is really not that far of a
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:stretch, but when you think about all the
things that a lawyer does, and all the
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:things that a coach does, you start to see
that some of the natural progression, the
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:tendency of her wanting to help others,
gaining those deeper skills is what really
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:flushes out in her story today, but more
than anything, I could see that in her
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:eyes there was a power, this loving and
healing that she wants to help others in
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:achieving, really set the tone for not
only this conversation, but for all things
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:that she is achieving even to this day.
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:There's never really a right time to
jump into a new career, especially with
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:both feet planted forward, but even
then, if you learn how to be joyful
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:in those moments, I think that you'll
find that it can be fun, even when you
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:walk past fear itself, to achieve what
you ultimately were meant to do, and
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:I think by doing this not only will
allow you to gain that perspective, but
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:allow you to pulsate through all kinds
of different types of things that are
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:happening in your life, and seek success.
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:But with that, let's go to the episode.
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:All right, we're here with Andrea Fung.
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:Andrea!
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:Thanks for sharing your
heart with us today.
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:Andrea: Thank you for having
me on your show, Josh.
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:I am so excited to go raw,
to go vulnerable, to go deep.
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:Share some wisdom.
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:Have some fun.
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:Let's do this!
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:Joshua: I had this feeling that there
would be a little bit of back and
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:forth today before we even started
recording, and for the listeners, I've
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:already felt like I've had an interview
and we're doing round three now of
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:the interview, so this will be a very
interesting conversation to say at least.
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:Andrea, I've already let the
listeners know a little bit about
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:your background, but I got to say
to you, and I've told you this when
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:we're having our 40 minute discussion.
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:You are a version of me that I could have
possibly taken many, many, many moons ago.
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:I had an interest of being a lawyer
before I did my career, which I work
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:for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
doing some procurement work, doing some
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:other things for the last 14, 15 years.
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:You took a track in your life that is
completely different than what I had
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:taken as a choice, but I love that there's
some similarity, so I was wondering.
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:Tell us a little bit about why you were
vested in becoming a lawyer in the first
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:place, because I'm always interested
about why people want to do something like
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:that, and then they turn into a coach.
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:That, in itself, is very exciting to
hear, so I'll let you tell that story.
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:Andrea: Would you believe that
the reason I chose law is because
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:I just didn't want to do math?
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:Joshua: Is it really that simple?
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:I set up that long explanation
only to tell me is because
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:you didn't want to do math?
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:Andrea: Well.
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:It was two points, so I grew up in this
like strict Asian, Chinese household where
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:you're either a professional, or you're
nothing at all, so my options of being
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:a professional were lawyer, engineer,
doctor, investment banker, and something
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:else that I cannot remember, probably.
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:I know I thought about doing
veterinary science, but I love
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:animals so much and I couldn't bear
to see sick animals every single day.
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:I think I would just be crying all
day, all night, so I thought, "Okay.
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:Look.
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:Out of all of those things, law would
be the one where I wouldn't have to
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:specialize, or major in additional math.",
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:and I am terrible at math.
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:Talk about defying stereotypes, so
that's why I decided to do a lot.
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:I thought I love talking.
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:I have a really great personality,
great gift of the gap, and
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:I thought, "You know what?
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:I'm going to do law.",
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:and so I wanted to help people though,
and coming from Malaysia at that time
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:where I felt like women were very much
treated like second class citizens,
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:I wanted to do something that would
help women achieve whatever it is
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:that they wanted to achieve; to create
the life that they wanted, and I
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:felt like I could do it in Australia.
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:I worked in family law.
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:I worked in domestic violence.
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:I also worked in child protection.
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:What I didn't realize was how heavy
that work was emotionally, and I found
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:that I was taking work home with me.
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:I don't mean like the actual physical
files, but emotionally, the tension
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:was there, so I actually quit law once
before after the first three years.
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:I was actually made redundant, and
I think, subconsciously, I must
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:have manifested that, because the
day that I was told that I was made
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:redundant, I booked my flights to
Brazil and I thought I'm going to go
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:on this long sabbatical, and I did.
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:One of the best days, and the beginning
of an amazing journey of soul searching.
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:I was hoping to look
for career inspiration.
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:I found everything, but not that,
so I came back and I thought, "Okay!
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:Let's do law again!",
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:but instead of doing family law,
I did wills and estates, and when
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:the pandemic hit, I realized, "Wow!
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:If I didn't have the parties.
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:If I didn't have friends.
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:If I didn't have all the debauchery, I
would actually be really miserable.",
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:and so I thought, "What else can I do?"
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:I had no idea.
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:I just know that law wasn't it,
so I decided to pivot to something
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:completely different, like
being a social media influencer.
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:Can you imagine that?
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:Joshua: Well.
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:We are of the generation that if we can
find some sort of niche to have a social
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:platform and be an influencer, that's the
way to go, and I think of people, even
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:in the gaming industry, Markiplier, Mr.
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:Beast, PewDiePie, all
those different people.
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:I grew up with those.
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:That was sort of my millennial upbringing
that I got to watch those people evolve
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:into what they are today, and even then.
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:Some people would say, "Oh!
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:They're older now, and there's other
people, and Josh, you're dating
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:yourself by saying those people.",
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:but let's be real.
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:You could be any social influencer
just by simply clicking a button,
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:and that's how easy it is anymore.
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:Andrea.
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:I'm kind of curious because you
said earlier, going back to your
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:lawyer career, that you took a
lot of these things home with you.
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:Can you explain what you mean by that?
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:Is it the burdens that families that
you worked with that you took home?
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:Was it something more
that you were carrying?
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:I'm kind of curious as to what you
were exactly taking home with you.
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:Andrea: The thing that I was taking
home was the burden of wanting to do
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:a good job, number one, and number
two, because what I see day in day
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:out, are relationships breaking apart,
and children caught in the crossfire,
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:and I wanted to do the very best that
I can even if not for the parents
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:who are actively fighting each other
at the expense of their children.
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:I wanted to do the best that I can to
provide the best option available for
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:the children that are caught in the
crossfire, so those were the things that
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:I was actually bringing home, and it's not
easy to deal with hearing of incidents,
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:and accounts, of partners assaulting
each other in front of their children, of
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:plates of food being thrown and smashed
right next to the head of an eight year
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:old, so those are things that I would
hear and work with almost every single
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:day, and as much as the intention was,
to the best of my ability, and to the
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:best of my knowledge at the time, was
pure, I think I did not have the nervous
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:system required, and the deeper why,
to actually work in that environment.
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:Joshua: In other words, you're saying
that you didn't have the skills, or
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:the equipment, to be able to do that?
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:Is that true?
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:Andrea: I can say that.
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:Yes.
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:I could say that I have the legal
knowledge, but in terms of the life
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:skills required to do it, learning how to
regulate my nervous system for example,
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:that was something that I did not have,
and when it comes to things like that, in
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:anything it is that we're actually doing,
it's important to have our why beneath our
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:why; to help push us through, to give us
that grit, to take us through and weather
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:through the more difficult times as in
when they come through, because everyone
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:in their career has had to weather through
difficult times, right, and I think I
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:didn't have that why beneath my why.
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:Joshua: I even admitted to you.
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:My listeners know this, because
I share this consistently.
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:Andrea: Yes.
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:Joshua: The why that I keep on working
through is to try to figure out what are
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:some of the barriers, what are some of
the things, that we are trying to process
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:that allow us to go from point A to point
B, and that has been some of my struggle.
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:Even as a coach, we all have struggles
with trying to even work through our
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:own shit, as I like to call it, but
even for you, you say to me that you
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:felt like you needed those skills.
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:What was your moral
compass to really do that?
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:You didn't have to do that.
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:You had a lawyer degree.
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:That was what you were bound to do.
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:You were there to legally represent.
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:Why dig deeper?
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:Andrea: I guess deep within myself,
I always knew that I wanted to do
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:something meaningful with my life, so
for as long as I could remember, I have
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:always wanted to find a job, or find
a career, or be engaging in work, that
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:felt like this is what I came here to do.
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:This is what I was born to do, because we
spend more than half of our lives working.
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:It did not make sense to me to be
working in a job, or in a career,
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:or whatever activity it is,
that's taking up all that time.
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:It didn't make sense to be investing
that much time in something that
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:wasn't fulfilling or meaningful.
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:Joshua: Well, then with
that said, why pick a coach?
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:Andrea: I didn't actually pick coaching.
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:Joshua: Okay.
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:So, so wait.
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:So there was something in between
before you became a coach?
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:Andrea: Oh, there were so many things
in between before I became a coach.
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:Joshua: Oh, there, now I found the butter.
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:Okay, so you need to churn this for us
because sometimes people think, "Oh.
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:Well, okay.
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:Fine, so she wanted to help people.
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:She automatically became a coach.",
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:so you are still in the soul searching
quest to essentially get to where you're
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:at, so I'm wondering if you can walk
us through what those look like for us.
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:Andrea: Okay, so let's do a brief recap.
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:First and foremost, I knew that I wanted
to help people, right, and secondly,
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:I also wanted to be engaging in work
that I felt like this is what I was
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:born to do, so at the time when I
was working as a lawyer, I picked law
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:because number one, I didn't want to
do math, and number two, it was one
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:way of helping people, but honestly.
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:When you're like 19, what
do you know about life?
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:Joshua: Oh, everything according to
some other teenagers I've talked to.
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:Andrea: Okay.
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:All right, so in the life that I grew
up, even though it was privileged
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:in some ways, and absolutely
horrible in so many other ways,
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:I didn't know enough about life.
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:Okay?
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:If you don't know enough about life, you
are never going to be able to dig deep
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:enough because you have not accessed
those deeper parts of yourself, right?
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:You can't find the why beneath the why,
so when I decided to quit law for the
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:second and final time, I didn't know
what it is that I wanted to do, so this
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:was end of 2020, and I made a list of
a hundred things that I would do for
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:free forever, and the top three was to
be hanging around in exotic beaches in
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:various bikinis, sponsored, obviously,
because influencer and to spread messages
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:of positivity, and so I thought, "Let's
take the social media influencer route.",
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:and at that time, I had decided, from
this point onwards, I am going to
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:follow strictly what brings me joy.
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:Not what I think is going to
be the best logical option.
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:Not what I think what other people would
say, or what my parents would say is the
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:best, most efficient route to success.
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:I was going to do what brought me
joy, even if it didn't make sense.
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:Even if it's just like a small decision
of whether I want to have a milkshake or
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:have water tonight; just something like
that, so from that point onwards, I went
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:from social media influencer, and then
a few people approached me saying, "Hey!
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:I love what you're
doing with your account.
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:Can you help me manage my account?",
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:so then I pivoted to become
a social media manager.
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:Did I know anything about how to become
a social media manager three months in?
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:No, but within that three months,
I met someone who was a digital
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:nomad coach and I thought, "Oh!
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:I want to help women experience
transformative travel as well, but how
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:can I help women build up a business in
he midst of a pandemic during:
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:I was still building up my own business?",
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:so obviously, it's safe to
say that business tanked,
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:horrifically, but I thought, "Okay.
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:You know what?
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:I decided I'm going to-
not surrender- Well.
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:I can say surrender.
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:I'm going to throw my hands up
in the air, and I'm going to
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:surrender to things that I cannot
control", because I was exhausted.
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:I was burnt out, and I went interstate
on a holiday to Sydney, and when I
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:was in Sydney, I happened to open
up my LinkedIn account after months,
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:and there was an offer from this
director of a coaching institute here
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:in Brisbane, offering me a job to be-
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:Joshua: Wow.
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:Andrea: to coach his clients
that came out of nowhere.
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:I literally exchanged two comments
with him on one post about quantum
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:shifting, and suddenly, an opportunity
landed on my lap, and the thing is if
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:I had opened up my inbox a month or
two prior, I would have turned that
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:job down because I was exhausted.
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:I was burnt out, and I just didn't
have capacity to think clearly, or
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:to even see what an opportunity that
was, because I would have still been
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:focused on building my own business,
but because I decided to surrender and
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:just focus on what brought me joy, what
brought me happiness, what gave me rest,
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:suddenly it happened right when I had
capacity to take on the opportunity,
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:so next thing you know, I went from
zero clients to 10 for the coming year.
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:Joshua: Wow.
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:Wow.
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:Andrea: Right.
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:Joshua: I'm sitting back in astonishment
because all it took was essentially using
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:social media, engaging in conversation,
to land you a job, so there you go.
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:That's the power of social media
using it for a positive force, and
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:being able to do something, because
some people are very skeptical.
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:They think about it as
being a negative influence.
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:Here it is.
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:It's landing you a job.
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:I love that.
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:You got your first 10 clients.
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:What happened next?
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:Andrea: What happened next was this
particular director had a bit of a
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:disagreement with me, and another one
of the coaches that we were working
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:together with in terms of how he wanted to
restructure his coaching institute, right?
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:In terms of the business plan, and stuff
like that, so in the end, we decided
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:to part ways, and right around the time
that we parted ways, I was learning NLP.
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:My brother, whom I wasn't very close
with at the time, invited me to go
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:over to his place to help him nanny,
because he wasn't able to find a nanny
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:for his two kids at the time, and so
it was an opportunity to bridge this
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:almost estranged family relationship.
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:We didn't have a bad relationship.
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:There was no ill will.
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:We just didn't have
much of a relationship.
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:That's all.
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:There was no animosity, and so
I saw this as an opportunity.
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:I thought, "Okay.
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:You know what?
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:I'm just going to go.",
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:and from that point onwards, I had
opportunities to heal my entire family
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:relationship, and when I say heal
entire family relationship, what I mean
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:to say is that prior to this point,
every day that I spend with my parents,
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:or at home, there's going to be some
sort of breakout of World War III.
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:That was how bad it was.
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:That was honestly how bad it
was, and within that year;
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:this was 2022 at this point.
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:Within 2022 and 2023, all my family
relationships were healed just like
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:that, and while I was in that state,
I was not actually able to work on my
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:business, because I was with family,
and they took up a lot of my time.
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:They took up a lot of my energy.
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:I was feeling quite stuck as well, and
this is where the next level of expansion
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:came in, when I was stuck, and I did not
have the capacity to work on my business.
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:I felt terrible.
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:I felt really, really terrible,
and I felt like I was a failure.
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:I felt like, "Why can't I do both?",
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:and then I thought, "You know what?
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:I lost focus.
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:I stopped focusing on
what brought me joy.",
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:and at that time, I said to myself,
"What was going to bring me joy?
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:Oh!
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:I'm going to go look for my soul family.",
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:so I hired a Thetahealer, a trans
channeler who also did theta healing,
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:and from that point onwards, I
experienced theta healing with her
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:and my entire vibration just lifted.
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:I felt so light.
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:I had beliefs of, "I am
not enough removed.",
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:and I had beliefs of, "I am lovable and
I'm enough installed within my being.",
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:and that is how theta healing found
me, and I signed up to all the courses
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:for theta healing for the rest of
the year, and all of that, doing all
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:those courses to be certified as a
theta healer, it was the equivalent
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:of doing 10 years of therapy.
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:Joshua: Wait.
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:You did 10 years of therapy equivalent
through theta healing, and you
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:did that in less than a year?
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:Andrea: In less than a year.
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:In three full courses.
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:Joshua: Wow.
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:Andrea: Yes.
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:Joshua: Wow.
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:That is incredible.
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:Yeah.
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:Andrea: Exactly, and the thing is that
with all of these things, I want to
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:give you more of a deeper perspective
of how magical this whole journey is.
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:Prior to becoming a coach, I did not
know that there were such coaches.
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:I thought coaches was like soccer
coaches, volleyball coaches.
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:I didn't know that such coaches
existed, and same with theta healing.
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:I can't even research something like that,
because I don't know that they exist.
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:It's like having two physicians talking to
me about the physics of how balls bounce.
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:I don't know what that is.
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:Joshua: Yes.
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:Andrea: So how can I research something
that I know nothing about, and I know
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:nothing of its existence, but what I did
was with every single step of following
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:my joy, following my curiosity, every
time I hit an emotional snag, I allowed
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:myself to heal, and every single time
that happened, I opened myself up to
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:everything, to everything that is for
me, to everything that is possible for
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:me, and I allowed myself to take the next
step, to take that leap of faith, into the
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:unknown, and that is when magic happens.
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:Joshua: I was going to say, so the
magic that happened is that you decided
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:you wanted to be a transformational
coach, which is now today, why
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:you're offering what you're offering:
ascension, mentoring, corporate
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:meditations, transformational coaching.
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:True?
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:Andrea: Yes.
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:Joshua: Out of the experiences that
you've had with other coaches, and
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:what you even do now, what would
you say is the most rewarding aspect
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:that you have created for yourself?
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:Meaning, was it about the self love
that helped you propel that forward?
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:Was it about the healing that you've
experienced with your family that
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:really got you over that rock?
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:What would you say was the number
one thing that was the switch
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:that said, "I'm going all in."?
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:Andrea: It was taking the leap of faith.
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:That is the main thing.
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:Lots of people, I think they are so
focused on healing, because they feel
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:that they have to be perfect to a certain
way, to a certain degree, before they are
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:ready to do this, or certain things in a
circumstances have to be right, but there
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:is never really a right time, and when
it comes to big things, and especially
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:when it's things that are unknown to you,
you are never going to feel proper ready.
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:How you know that you are ready is
when there is an opportunity that
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:drops in front of you, and you take
the leap of faith, and you take
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:that opportunity, because if you
were not ready, the opportunity
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:would not even drop to begin with.
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:Joshua: Do you think the theta
healing coach was one of those
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:things that just dropped as one
of those opportunities, and if you
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:don't believe that, you can tell me.
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:Maybe it was just a sheer coincidence,
but from the way you're describing
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:it, it sounds like to me that this was
set up for you to not only walk away
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:from all that past that you were just
talking about earlier, but allowed you
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:to get onto the path of what you really
enjoy doing, which is helping others.
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:Is that fair to say?
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:Andrea: Oh!
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:It is absolutely a
hundred percent accurate.
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:All of the things that dropped,
all the opportunities that dropped.
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:If I were to look at everything in
the past, I can see how every single
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:breadcrumb, even though on its own in
isolation, seemingly makes zero sense,
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:okay, but when you follow each breadcrumb
at some point, six months down the line,
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the line, you're going to see how all
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:of the dots connect, and that Theta
healer, she's actually a trans channeler.
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:I didn't even know what Theta healing is-
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:Joshua: What is Theta healing, by the
way, before you even go any further?
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:Just for my listeners, because I'm- you
said it a few times and I meant to ask you
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:earlier, so just catch us up with that.
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:What would that entail if
I went to a Theta healer?
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:Andrea: Theta healing is
basically quantum therapy, so we
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:look into your energy centers.
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:We dig deep into your subconscious
beliefs, and then we remove the programs
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if you felt that you are worthy, and fully
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of success and that you could have it,
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:you would take every leap of faith.
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:There would be not barely any
fear, or even if there was, you
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:wouldn't care anyway, because you
know that this success is mine.
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:This success is for me,
and I'm deserving of it.
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:I'm worthy of it, right, but then because
of the subconscious beliefs that have
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young, we believe that we need people.
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:We are afraid of rejection.
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:We believe that we are not enough,
because we've been conditioned to require
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:people's approval, so if we removed
all of those beliefs and installed in
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:all this more healthy beliefs that will
enable you to advance towards success,
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:to advance towards wholeness, wouldn't
that make the journey so much more
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:easeful, and so much more joyful as well?
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:Joshua: Andrea.
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:What do you think has to happen for
your life to be even more joyful
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:than what it is now, because let's
be real, and I was being real with
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:I've been real consistently for my
listeners as I approach these magic
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:numbers of 200 that flash across my
eyes for my show, I've learned a lot
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:even in these discussions about what
it means to work through my stuff,
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:and to actually do some of the things
that I advocate for my listeners to
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:also do the same, because there are
essentially breadcrumbs for them too.
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:You said it so accurately that
there are little hints that if
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:you're willing to just pay attention
to them, they are staring at you
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:although they're very, very small.
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:You got to squint sometimes to look at it.
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:What is it that you have to yet due
to attain even more joy than you
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:already are, or have you attained it?
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:Andrea: I feel like I have attained it.
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:Joshua: But you know what?
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:That's okay too, because that means to
me that what you're doing, what your
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:program is, is also transforming not only
just yourself, but also your clients.
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:Andrea: Yes, absolutely, and look.
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:I say that I have attained that
joy, but it's not to say that there
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:is no more joy to be attained.
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:There are so many layers to us to
dig deeper, and the deeper we go, the
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:greater joy we get to access, so I
think the first step I feel to attaining
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:this joy is to understand that being
this joyful, being this state of
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:love, it's actually our natural state.
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:We don't have to do anything to
attain more, to be more recognized,
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:or whatever, to attain this joy.
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:You can access it yourself by accessing
yourself, digging deep within your
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:beliefs, shifting and peeling back
the layers to find the joy that
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:is your natural state, and that
can look and sound like anything.
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:For you, Josh, I feel like when you
are asking me these questions and when
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:you're conducting this podcast, I feel
that this is one form of an expression of
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:your joy, because I feel that happiness.
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:Joshua: Well.
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:You are right, because I like
seeing my guests squirm a
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:little bit, but that's okay.
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:That's a whole other discussion in itself,
but no, to be truthfully serious, because
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:I know that I could joke around a bit
and I can have that kind of fun because
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:I feel a lot more sense of comfort and
relaxation knowing that I can have that
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:kind of, that reciprocation knowing that
you know that I'm just getting around.
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:Part of this for me is that I really
do believe that everybody's entitled
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:to this best version of themselves.
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:That's something that is the ultimate
mission of what I try to do too.
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:Sometimes people don't see it in the
subjective ways that you're describing.
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:Some of them want concrete,
empirical, objective analysis
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:to be able to say, "This is what
I'm able to do to achieve that.",
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:but that's just one modality.
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:It doesn't mean that my modality is
wrong, or your modality is wrong.
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:It's just the way, a process of doing
it, so to measure joy, how would you
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:say for somebody that wants to attain
that same joyfulness that you have right
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:now, which is obviously the epiphany of
it, that ability to create that, and
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:you can manifest that, especially with
all kinds of things that you're doing.
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:How can someone that has no experience,
has no idea what we've been talking
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:about, be able to start that
process with even using some of the
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:techniques that you've talked about?
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:Andrea: Well, we could
start at the very beginning.
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:Why don't you create a list of a hundred
things that you would do for free forever,
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:and look at the top 5, look at the top 10,
and allow yourself to do that, and this
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:is something that we live in this modern,
chaotic, busy world and culture of hustle.
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:At the beginning, it is going to be
quite hard, because this is something
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:that you have to make time to do.
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:Joshua: Wait a moment.
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:I need to do time with this?
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:Bullshit!
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:I don't want to do any of that,
and I say that with all earnest
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:because some people will say, "Well,
I don't have that kind of time.",
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:but I even say to my clients,
it's about what you really want.
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:If you really, really want this, you
would put the time aside to make this
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:a priority, and I've had to say that
to myself is that if I really, really
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:want this, I would put that time to
work into not only what I need to
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:achieve, but also what it is that I
ultimately want to see as the goal.
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:When you say time, I want you
to be really earnest with you.
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:How long did it take you to find that joy?
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:Be real with us.
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:Andrea: If I started, let's say
early:
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:like full homecoming peak joy,
last year in, let's say, May.
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:May, 2023.
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:Joshua: The start of this podcast.
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:How interesting.
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:Go on.
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:Andrea: Yeah, so let's say it took me
two and a half years; two and a half
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:years of consistent walking in the
dark, in the unknown, following the
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:breadcrumbs, allowing myself to hit every
single emotional snag, and go through
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:every single through, not over, not
circumventing, not under, go through every
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:single fear, go through working through
the vibrations of shame, and grief, and
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:fear to get to this point, I would say two
and a half years, but that was my journey.
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:Everyone's journey is different.
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:Joshua: That is different, but part
of it is that was your timetable,
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:and that's okay that it took you
that long, because look at you now.
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:You're doing things that other
people would be envious of.
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:They are happy about the
fact that they see this.
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:Maybe some of them are not happy
because they're like, "Dang it!
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:She's doing that.",
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:but part of it is they're jealous,
and maybe it's a jealousy factor.
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:Maybe it's something else, but to
me, you don't have to be jealous.
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:That's a human, basic instinct that
sometimes we need to say, "That's
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:not what we're trying to say.
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:That's not what we're listening to today."
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:We need to push that aside, and obviously,
you've had to work through a lot of
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:things to get to that point, so let's
just break it down for what it is.
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:Do you often feel, and I am looking at
your website as I even ask this, because
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:a lot of the questions that you ask or
even questions that I even sometimes put
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:my clients through to kind of understand
it; to get a kind of a profile of it.
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:I mean, do you fear failure or making
mistakes with trying to achieve this
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:joy that you're even working on now?
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:I mean, obviously you're saying
to us that you've attained it,
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:but you make mistakes, right?
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:Andrea: Yeah.
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:All of us make mistakes, but
in saying that, is it really a
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:mistake and is it really failure,
or is it just a feedback loop?
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:You try one way and it's like, "Oh, okay,
so maybe this is not giving you the joy,
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:or the excitement, or the result that
you were hoping or expected, so okay.
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:This is not the way.
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:Try the next one; so what?"
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:Joshua: I think that's a big
part of it is that you have
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:It's okay to try again.
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:Sometimes it takes multiple times
to try in order to find something
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:that really adapts with you.
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:With that said, Andrea, we're
almost at the end of our time.
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:I can't believe how quickly it has
flown by, but I have to say this to you.
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:I really, really earnestly
curious about this.
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:You seem to me as somebody that really
is in touch with themselves, meaning you
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:manifest something that comes from the
inside, and that's because of all this
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:hard work, two and a half years worth
that you've gotten to at this point,
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:and that's something to commend for.
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:I congratulate you for that,
because not many people- Yeah.
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:Not many people can easily say that,
and they are still working on themselves
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:five years, 10 years, 15 years from now.
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:What is your best piece of
advice to somebody that wants
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:to start this journey today?
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:They might not have the
resources to be able to work
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:with somebody like you and me.
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:They are just trying to just make
it day by day, trying to figure out
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:what is their place on this earth.
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:They're trying to transform themselves.
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:What's one small thing that they could
do to start changing their mindset today,
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:and I know that's a big ask, and there's
so many different choices to choose from,
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:but in your experience, what do you think?
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:Andrea: In my experience, because I work
so much with joy, and I've mentioned the
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:word joy so much at this point I think
if anyone were to take a shot every
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:time I say the word joy they'd be blind
drunk under the table by this point.
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:Joshua: It'd be a drinking game, right?
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:Andrea: Yes.
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:Joshua: I'm not advocating for
drinking, by the way, my listeners.
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:Please don't read into the between
the lines of that, but anyway.
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:Andrea: I would say that my process
that has been the most life transforming
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:for me is that I learned that joy is
the way our soul communicates with us,
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:because it's our natural state, and so
every single time you follow your joy,
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:it is going to synchronistically trigger
a set of events, because every single
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:time you feel joyful, you feel inspired.
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:You want to go do something, and if
you allow yourself to just go and do
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:that thing, it will take you to the
next breadcrumb, and if you just allow
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:yourself to follow that breadcrumb,
whilst at the same time, being completely
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:detached from the outcome, and allowing
each experience to just be that
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:experience, it is going to lead you to
be in a position where you're able to
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:receive your higher purpose, because I
think that's what we all really want.
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:We want to have direction.
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:We want to have purpose, and following
your joy is the most supportive, most
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:abundant path for you to achieve that, and
the thing is, what's really interesting is
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:that there will be several layers to this.
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:You're going to find your direction.
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:You're going to find your purpose, right,
and that can look like a career, or that
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:can look like a life path or whatever
it is, but when you get to that point,
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:you're going to realize that you're just
here to have fun, and the purpose, this
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:career, or this work, is just one aspect
of it, but you're just here to have
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:fun, and the deeper you go, the more you
access your soul, the more you access
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:your frequency, you'll realize that you're
just here to do this because you want to.
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:You're just here to do this life
on earth because you want to.
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:Joshua: Those are some wise words.
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:I have more thoughts with that,
but before I say them to wrap us
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:up, Andrea, why don't you give
our audience a few minutes here.
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:I'll let you have those to describe your
coaching, people might be interested.
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:I did not mention until just now, although
I'll list it later on about the fact
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:that you are an international guest.
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:You're living in the great old
country of Australia, which I've
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:always enjoyed my Australian guests.
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:You are no exception to that, but I'm
wondering if you can let people know
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:how they can get in contact with you.
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:If they are interested in
coaching, maybe there's some
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:way that they can get in touch.
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:Maybe you want to describe a little bit of
some of your coaching offerings although
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:I hinted at this a little bit earlier.
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:Maybe you also want to leave us
some social media that we can
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:follow you on, but with all those
things, I'll give you the last few
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:minutes to share all that with us.
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:Andrea: Okay, so the best first
step to do would be to go to
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:my website, www.andreafung.com.
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:I trust that, Josh, you have all
of the links to my socials at
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:this point, which will be listed.
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:Have a look at that, and see what
it is that actually appeals to you.
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:The best way to work with me is I have
packages of three sessions, six sessions,
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:or it could be three months or six months,
but I would always start with a three
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:session energy healing first, because
with those ones, we will be able to see
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:whether we jive, how well we actually
work together, and it will be the part
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:where we start getting an energetically
intimate with each other to put it in
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:plain terms, and so with that one, with
the starting point, it's about identifying
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:one particular problem, one particular
fear, and we'd completely address that.
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:We eliminate that.
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:We shift that, and then from that
point onwards, we'll see what
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:is the next level of ascension.
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:Another way to contact me, to access
my content would be through Instagram.
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:That would be the best way to contact
me, and if you are a burnt out, stressed
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:out, corporate professional or soulful
entrepreneur, and you're looking for more.
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:You want to experience a life of joy.
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:This is not about selling your wealth,
or fame, or abundance, or whatever.
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:I'm talking about accessing your soul,
and embodying that soul frequency, and
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:awakening to the joy that is within you
towards finding your higher purpose.
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:If that is something that appeals to
you, if that's something that speaks
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:to you, if you're receiving this
transmission, then get in contact.
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:I would love to get to know you.
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:Joshua: I think they
heard you loud and clear.
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:I will put everything in
the episode notes for sure.
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:I'm going to leave this with this note.
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:I have to.
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:I feel it's an obligation.
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:You said something about not only joy,
but about finding that way to have
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:fun, and you remind me of a guest named
Piret who talked about the concept of
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:happiness when I had her on the show.
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:That's really what we're ultimately
striving towards, but the one thing that
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:you added an extra layer to that I wish
that I would have dug in with Piret was
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:the fact that you are doing this in a
way that unlocks people's ability to
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:see inside themselves not just the best
version, which I would describe it as, but
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:the way that you describe on your website:
perpetual transformation and empowerment,
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:and I think that's where we find our
joy when we have that perpetuality
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:and that curiosity to seek it out.
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:You have sought it out.
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:Once a lawyer turn into many other hats
into what you're doing now, Andrea.
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:I freaking love it so much.
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:You, like I said, remind me
of who I wanted to be, but
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:turned into something else.
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:I got there.
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:It took me way longer
than less than a year.
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:It took me 14 years, but it got
me to where I'm at now, and for
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:all those reasons, thanks for
being a version of myself, Andrea.
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:Thanks for being on
Speaking From The Heart.
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:I am so happy for you, and I only wish
you so much more success for your business
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:and beyond, and from one international
coach to another international
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:coach, thank you for all you're
doing to help others find their joy.
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:Andrea: Thank you, Josh, for creating this
platform and for creating this space to
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:allow your guests to be seen and heard,
and also to allow everyone else listening
656
:to your podcast who resonates with the
messages and the wisdom shared to feel
657
:seen and heard, because on this journey
of personal development, sometimes you
658
:feel like we are all so alone, but I
think we just need to realize that there
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:are other people who are also going
through similar journeys, and it's nice
660
:to just have that bit of community to
know that there are other people out
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:there who are feeling the same way,
who are going on a similar journey, and
662
:that we're all really just walking each
other home to ourselves, to joy, so
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:thank you so much for having me here.
664
:Joshua: Absolutely, and I
definitely agree with you.
665
:It's a collaborative effort, so thanks
again for sharing your perspective.
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:Andrea: Thank you.
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:Joshua: Again, I want to thank Andrea
so much for being part of the show,
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:sharing her energy, which was something
that I still feel so empowered, even
669
:after all this time, even after all
these perspectives that I have learned
670
:on the show, and have been able to gain
so many different types of perspectives
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:alongside of you, my listeners, I think
this episode hits a little bit differently
672
:for me today, and I think it's all because
I am living, in this very moment, this
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:transformation that Andrea has undergone,
because I still, even after all this time,
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:work a full time job, and I am afraid.
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:I'm afraid of taking that big step
forward, even after everything that
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:I have ever achieved, I know that on
the precipice of that threshold that
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:I can cross, I have this ability to
be a high performing, highly energetic
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:leader myself, so Andrea, when you
listen to this, thank you so much for
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:being part of this show and inspiring
me to keep on walking that path because
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:I am going to cross that threshold.
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:I'm super excited about it, and I
appreciate everything that you have
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:shared with me, even afterwards, that
I am going to even share here today for
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:our listeners, so let's break it down.
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:I think that you can learn so
much about Andrea's story just
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:because of all the different
types of careers that we all have.
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:Sometimes we have these
quests that we go on.
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:We're trying to figure out what is
the best way to overcome, to be able
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:to learn the ways that we are able to
influence others, to find that hobby,
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:to find that knowledge that we are
drawing upon in order to help others.
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:It could be in a trade.
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:It could be in a skill.
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:It could be just by helping others
with their legal problems: family law,
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:domestic law, other types of general
work, real estate for that matter.
694
:Andrea has covered a lot of different
territories, but there was one territory
695
:that I think really shines brightly
for her today, which is the territory
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:of really getting to the heart of
why she's doing all this in the first
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:place, and that is to help others.
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:Doing a good job, doing something
really well, and giving people that
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:option to know that they're working
with somebody that is of a high
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:caliber, a world class influencer, is
certainly a great gold star to put on
701
:your resume, but is that simply enough?
702
:Is that enough to really cross that
threshold, that precipice, that I'm
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:talking about even in my own life?
704
:I think for all of us, we're trying to
design in our lives what it is that we
705
:want to measure our success, but success
is really by answering the question
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:of why, which beneath the surface, is
answering yet another question of why are
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:you doing what you're doing, so there's
really two layers, and even more layers,
708
:of asking that question of why, but
those skills, the life skills that are
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:needed, the things that we engage with,
the things that create opportunity, means
710
:that we have to dig deeper than we might
have never thought we could ever dig.
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:Sometimes we want to deal with so
many different types of opportunities,
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:getting from point A to point B, but
it could be really point A to point
713
:Z, which we've talked about on a
variety of different episodes here on
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:this podcast, which I encourage you.
715
:Go listen to anybody else, and you'll
see that it took them so many different
716
:types of steps, even for my own journey,
even at this point, to be able to finally
717
:land on something that I really love
doing which is helping people find their
718
:voice, and Andrea is doing just the same.
719
:Helping other people find that voice,
and really, if you can think about
720
:it, how many voices does it take for
somebody to be propelled upward into
721
:this stratosphere so that we can help
family relationships, helping people work
722
:through their differences, overcoming
obstacles that might otherwise never
723
:be touched if it wasn't for the power
of listening, hearing what other
724
:people have to say, and using our voice
to change this ever changing world.
725
:I think that what surfaces above all
else is that we come from a place of not
726
:only wanting to love someone, but also
wanting to heal, because that loving
727
:and healing, no matter whether you're
a child, or you're growing up into the
728
:adolescent phase, or even becoming an
adult, just like we've talked about with
729
:the three chair model that we had with
Jenny Jansen many episodes ago, I think
730
:you realize that some of the bad habits,
some of the things that we've learned
731
:from a long time ago need to break.
732
:They need to be shattered, just
like a mirror when you throw it
733
:against a wall, and it breaks into
millions of pieces, it's not because
734
:you're going to get bad luck.
735
:It's because you're finally
destroying that old version of what
736
:you've been looking at for so long.
737
:There's never really a right moment to
actually do that, and even then, for
738
:myself, building this business, building
my ability to help others, and keep on
739
:grinding and working and thinking that
I can do so much more, means that I know
740
:that I might not always be ready for the
task, but when I'm faced with it with no
741
:other options, those breadcrumbs start
to appear, because they've been there
742
:this whole entire time, and when you
show up with the way in which you have
743
:all these wonderful skills, all this
knowledge, that you've been surfacing,
744
:that you've been burying for so long,
that's when you were finally realizing
745
:that you're designing your life in
the way in which you really wanted to
746
:achieve and that achievement is joy.
747
:Joy.
748
:What a wonderful natural state to be in.
749
:To be able to access that on a
continuous basis, knowing that
750
:you have no more worry whatsoever.
751
:If there is any sort of recollection of
a moment in time in which you felt that
752
:way maybe it was when you were a child.
753
:Maybe the hundreds of things that got
piled on as you got older, and you had
754
:more responsibilities, and the things
that you had to take care of, got buried
755
:underneath all the things that you were
doing at that time as a kid creating
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:that connection, getting things done in
a way in which really bonded with the
757
:human connection, and created that joy.
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:I think that in our lives, we have to
find ways in which we find feedback, these
759
:opportunities for creating those feedback
loops, so that we can be here to have fun.
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:Fun is not a word that I would easily
associate with my life, and maybe for
761
:many of you, you wouldn't associate
either, but think about it this way.
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:All this talk that we hear all this time
about living your best life, putting all
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:those fears, all those insecurities away,
and working on yourself, means that you
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:have to focus on not just the journey that
you've been walking on, but also helping
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:others to see that they have that freedom,
that expression to create opportunities
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:that they would have otherwise not had.
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:I know for many of us,
that's easier said than done.
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:That means we have to break the mold that
we've been always looking at, making sure
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:that we rip up the playbook, just like
we experienced here in the United States
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:with the Super Bowl, which of course, my
hometown heroes, the Philadelphia Eagles,
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:taking that championship, certainly
shared a lot of joy for all of us, but
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:what if we were able to take that energy,
that momentum that ability for us to
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:build relationships regardless of the
differences that we might experience,
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:and create joy where joy might not exist
for others, or even for our own lives.
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:Andrea and I had a lot of discussions
after the show and even got to the point
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:where she was always asking, "Are you
doing what you really are set out to do?"
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:Andrea, I don't know if I am.
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:Even after 194 episodes, I'm still
figuring out what that looks like, and
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:I'm still trying to figure out, even
in my own life, what it means to work
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:with others to unlock that passion;
to let them see that freedom exists.
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:Does that mean that it
makes me a fraud of a coach?
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:Absolutely not, because that means
that I have a gift for something else.
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:She has a gift for somebody
that is willing to hear what it
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:takes to unlock their freedom.
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:The joy of knowing that you don't have
to be stuck in these two out of ten ways.
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:You don't have to be
trapped in a dead end job.
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:You don't have to be stuck in
this white collar, blue collar
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:atmosphere, knowing that you can
do what you really need to do.
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:This world, for many people,
is a very scary place nowadays.
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:With a number of different changes,
especially in the United States that
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:have ripple effects across the world,
I can understand your sediment.
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:I can understand why you think that you
need to have some deeper skills so that
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:you can transverse these waves, and
maybe in this life that you're living in
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:fear, or maybe living in joy currently,
can't we all experience the same thing
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:if we're able to put the same energy into
celebrating our favorite football team?
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:Maybe even playing a game of sorts that
allows us to work on our best habits,
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:to build relationships with others
so that that healing and loving that
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:we desperately seek can start today.
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:Those breadcrumbs, those things that
maybe are very invisible for us to
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:see at the present time, means that
we have to unlock a joyful life.
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:It means that we have to dig deeper than
we might have otherwise never dug before.
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:It means that we have to share in our
life what it means to have that connection
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:with someone that we deeply care about.
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:Andrea really showed me in this
interview today that as I get closer
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:to the episode number 200, and I get
closer to this freedom that I have in
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:my life, I know that doing a good job,
doing something to the best of my own
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:ability, means that I have to dig deep.
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:I have to walk a path that even though
I don't know what that why might be,
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:it might also mean that I have to take
a risk, to step outside my own comfort
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:zone, even when all the chips are not
aligned, and being able to understand
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:that taking risks can have massive reward.
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:It can pay over hundreds of
millions of dollars of dividends.
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:Not just in the financial sense, but
in the reality that we all live in.
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:I don't know about you, but I think
that we are living in a falsehood.
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:We often are viewing the world as if
it's all negative, that we don't see
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:sunshine and rainbows sometimes, and
that even with the cloudy skies that
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:might be overcast, it might be putting
us into a different type of mood.
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:Just know that joy always exists.
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:We just have to realize
that we're here to have fun.
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:We're here to see what it looks like
to live this life and realize that even
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:though we have massive responsibilities,
whether that's for our kids, or family,
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:or otherwise, being ready is never going
to be a reality, because the reality
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:that we're living today allows us to
have that freedom, and that freedom
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:is only a hand grasp away; a coaching
session away, if you will, or even just
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:acknowledging in your heart, in your
soul, that even if you wanted to do
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:a good job, you're already doing it.
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:Press forward.
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:Don't be burned out anymore.
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:Don't let careers, or fears, or any other
sort of inhibition hold you back from the
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:ultimate destiny that you have in front of
you, because it's filled with joy, love,
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:and happiness, and even if you think it's
all negative, and it's all full of anxiety
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:and depression, take it from me, somebody
that has lived through some of the worst
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:things that they could ever imagine
that the human race could live through.
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:If you can recover from anything that
has been really bad in your life,
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:imagine the possibilities of unlocking
your true potential through joyful
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:activity, and having fun where you
otherwise might have never experienced
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:if you didn't open your eyes to these
wonderful possibilities that surround us.
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:Thanks for listening to episode
number 194 of Speaking From the
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:Heart, and I look forward to
hearing from your heart very soon.
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:Outro: Thanks for listening.
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:Visit us at www.yourspeakingvoice.biz
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:for more information about potential
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:the best version of yourself.
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:See you next time.