Episode 199

Episode #194 - Finding Joy In All The Places Of Our Lives: An Interview With Andrea Fung

Joy is a sensation that can have multiple applications in our well being. Whether it is for physical or mental purposes and/or refinements, joy can be the epiphany of why we perform the activities that we tend to do. The path towards finding joy can be riddled with many different obstacles, both in our personal lives and even for our career calling. Today's guest, Andrea Fung, shares her transformational journey from being a lawyer to become a healer through another means. The life that we are dictated to lead can provide no joy, but when we have the "breadcrumbs" that lead us to a greater calling, there is no denying the healing potential it can have not only on yourself, but on others as well.

Guest Bio

Andea Fung is former lawyer turned Transformational Coach and Energy Healer for corporate professionals and soulful entrepreneurs based in Australia and Malaysia. With 6 years of experience in the legal sector she has intimate encounters with the wide spectrum of challenges faced by high achieving professionals and is now dedicated towards helping these ambitious business professionals achieve fulfillment and find purpose in their lives. As a certified NLP practitioner and Thetahealer, Andrea adopts a holistic approach in empowering her clients to unearth the wellspring of happiness within themselves.

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Intro/Outro By: Michael Dugan, Podcast Host: Voice4Chefs

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Intro:

Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode

number 194 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today we have Andrea Fung with us,

and Andrea is a former lawyer turned

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transformational coach and energy

healer for corporate professionals

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and soulful entrepreneurs based

in Australia and Malaysia.

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With six years of experience in the legal

sector, she has intimate encounters with

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the wide spectrum of challenges faced by

high achieving professionals and is now

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dedicated towards helping these ambitious

business professionals achieve fulfillment

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and find their purpose in their lives.

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As a certified NLP practitioner and

Thetahealer, Andrea adopts a holistic

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approach in empowering her clients to

unearth the wellspring of happiness within

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themselves, and boy, oh boy, do we have

a little bit of a firecracker here on

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today's episode, and you're going to see

why, and I had so many great conversations

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after this interview today with Andrea

that I really got to understand what

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motivates her, what empowers her to help

these individuals move from the place

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that they are at: point A, all the way

to point Z, and beyond for that matter,

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especially when it comes to her coaching,

but the interesting dynamic that I don't

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think I've ever had on this show thus far

is how somebody, especially turning their

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career from a lawyer into being able to

help others, is really not that far of a

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stretch, but when you think about all the

things that a lawyer does, and all the

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things that a coach does, you start to see

that some of the natural progression, the

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tendency of her wanting to help others,

gaining those deeper skills is what really

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flushes out in her story today, but more

than anything, I could see that in her

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eyes there was a power, this loving and

healing that she wants to help others in

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achieving, really set the tone for not

only this conversation, but for all things

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that she is achieving even to this day.

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There's never really a right time to

jump into a new career, especially with

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both feet planted forward, but even

then, if you learn how to be joyful

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in those moments, I think that you'll

find that it can be fun, even when you

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walk past fear itself, to achieve what

you ultimately were meant to do, and

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I think by doing this not only will

allow you to gain that perspective, but

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allow you to pulsate through all kinds

of different types of things that are

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happening in your life, and seek success.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right, we're here with Andrea Fung.

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Andrea!

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Thanks for sharing your

heart with us today.

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Andrea: Thank you for having

me on your show, Josh.

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I am so excited to go raw,

to go vulnerable, to go deep.

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Share some wisdom.

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Have some fun.

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Let's do this!

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Joshua: I had this feeling that there

would be a little bit of back and

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forth today before we even started

recording, and for the listeners, I've

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already felt like I've had an interview

and we're doing round three now of

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the interview, so this will be a very

interesting conversation to say at least.

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Andrea, I've already let the

listeners know a little bit about

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your background, but I got to say

to you, and I've told you this when

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we're having our 40 minute discussion.

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You are a version of me that I could have

possibly taken many, many, many moons ago.

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I had an interest of being a lawyer

before I did my career, which I work

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for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

doing some procurement work, doing some

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other things for the last 14, 15 years.

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You took a track in your life that is

completely different than what I had

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taken as a choice, but I love that there's

some similarity, so I was wondering.

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Tell us a little bit about why you were

vested in becoming a lawyer in the first

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place, because I'm always interested

about why people want to do something like

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that, and then they turn into a coach.

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That, in itself, is very exciting to

hear, so I'll let you tell that story.

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Andrea: Would you believe that

the reason I chose law is because

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I just didn't want to do math?

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Joshua: Is it really that simple?

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I set up that long explanation

only to tell me is because

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you didn't want to do math?

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Andrea: Well.

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It was two points, so I grew up in this

like strict Asian, Chinese household where

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you're either a professional, or you're

nothing at all, so my options of being

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a professional were lawyer, engineer,

doctor, investment banker, and something

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else that I cannot remember, probably.

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I know I thought about doing

veterinary science, but I love

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animals so much and I couldn't bear

to see sick animals every single day.

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I think I would just be crying all

day, all night, so I thought, "Okay.

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Look.

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Out of all of those things, law would

be the one where I wouldn't have to

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specialize, or major in additional math.",

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and I am terrible at math.

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Talk about defying stereotypes, so

that's why I decided to do a lot.

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I thought I love talking.

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I have a really great personality,

great gift of the gap, and

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I thought, "You know what?

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I'm going to do law.",

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and so I wanted to help people though,

and coming from Malaysia at that time

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where I felt like women were very much

treated like second class citizens,

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I wanted to do something that would

help women achieve whatever it is

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that they wanted to achieve; to create

the life that they wanted, and I

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felt like I could do it in Australia.

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I worked in family law.

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I worked in domestic violence.

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I also worked in child protection.

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What I didn't realize was how heavy

that work was emotionally, and I found

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that I was taking work home with me.

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I don't mean like the actual physical

files, but emotionally, the tension

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was there, so I actually quit law once

before after the first three years.

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I was actually made redundant, and

I think, subconsciously, I must

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have manifested that, because the

day that I was told that I was made

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redundant, I booked my flights to

Brazil and I thought I'm going to go

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on this long sabbatical, and I did.

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One of the best days, and the beginning

of an amazing journey of soul searching.

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I was hoping to look

for career inspiration.

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I found everything, but not that,

so I came back and I thought, "Okay!

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Let's do law again!",

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but instead of doing family law,

I did wills and estates, and when

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the pandemic hit, I realized, "Wow!

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If I didn't have the parties.

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If I didn't have friends.

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If I didn't have all the debauchery, I

would actually be really miserable.",

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and so I thought, "What else can I do?"

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I had no idea.

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I just know that law wasn't it,

so I decided to pivot to something

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completely different, like

being a social media influencer.

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Can you imagine that?

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Joshua: Well.

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We are of the generation that if we can

find some sort of niche to have a social

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platform and be an influencer, that's the

way to go, and I think of people, even

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in the gaming industry, Markiplier, Mr.

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Beast, PewDiePie, all

those different people.

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I grew up with those.

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That was sort of my millennial upbringing

that I got to watch those people evolve

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into what they are today, and even then.

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Some people would say, "Oh!

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They're older now, and there's other

people, and Josh, you're dating

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yourself by saying those people.",

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but let's be real.

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You could be any social influencer

just by simply clicking a button,

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and that's how easy it is anymore.

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Andrea.

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I'm kind of curious because you

said earlier, going back to your

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lawyer career, that you took a

lot of these things home with you.

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Can you explain what you mean by that?

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Is it the burdens that families that

you worked with that you took home?

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Was it something more

that you were carrying?

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I'm kind of curious as to what you

were exactly taking home with you.

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Andrea: The thing that I was taking

home was the burden of wanting to do

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a good job, number one, and number

two, because what I see day in day

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out, are relationships breaking apart,

and children caught in the crossfire,

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and I wanted to do the very best that

I can even if not for the parents

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who are actively fighting each other

at the expense of their children.

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I wanted to do the best that I can to

provide the best option available for

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the children that are caught in the

crossfire, so those were the things that

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I was actually bringing home, and it's not

easy to deal with hearing of incidents,

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and accounts, of partners assaulting

each other in front of their children, of

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plates of food being thrown and smashed

right next to the head of an eight year

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old, so those are things that I would

hear and work with almost every single

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day, and as much as the intention was,

to the best of my ability, and to the

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best of my knowledge at the time, was

pure, I think I did not have the nervous

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system required, and the deeper why,

to actually work in that environment.

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Joshua: In other words, you're saying

that you didn't have the skills, or

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the equipment, to be able to do that?

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Is that true?

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Andrea: I can say that.

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Yes.

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I could say that I have the legal

knowledge, but in terms of the life

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skills required to do it, learning how to

regulate my nervous system for example,

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that was something that I did not have,

and when it comes to things like that, in

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anything it is that we're actually doing,

it's important to have our why beneath our

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why; to help push us through, to give us

that grit, to take us through and weather

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through the more difficult times as in

when they come through, because everyone

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in their career has had to weather through

difficult times, right, and I think I

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didn't have that why beneath my why.

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Joshua: I even admitted to you.

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My listeners know this, because

I share this consistently.

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Andrea: Yes.

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Joshua: The why that I keep on working

through is to try to figure out what are

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some of the barriers, what are some of

the things, that we are trying to process

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that allow us to go from point A to point

B, and that has been some of my struggle.

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Even as a coach, we all have struggles

with trying to even work through our

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own shit, as I like to call it, but

even for you, you say to me that you

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felt like you needed those skills.

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What was your moral

compass to really do that?

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You didn't have to do that.

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You had a lawyer degree.

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That was what you were bound to do.

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You were there to legally represent.

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Why dig deeper?

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Andrea: I guess deep within myself,

I always knew that I wanted to do

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something meaningful with my life, so

for as long as I could remember, I have

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always wanted to find a job, or find

a career, or be engaging in work, that

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felt like this is what I came here to do.

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This is what I was born to do, because we

spend more than half of our lives working.

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It did not make sense to me to be

working in a job, or in a career,

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or whatever activity it is,

that's taking up all that time.

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It didn't make sense to be investing

that much time in something that

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wasn't fulfilling or meaningful.

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Joshua: Well, then with

that said, why pick a coach?

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Andrea: I didn't actually pick coaching.

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Joshua: Okay.

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So, so wait.

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So there was something in between

before you became a coach?

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Andrea: Oh, there were so many things

in between before I became a coach.

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Joshua: Oh, there, now I found the butter.

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Okay, so you need to churn this for us

because sometimes people think, "Oh.

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Well, okay.

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Fine, so she wanted to help people.

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She automatically became a coach.",

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so you are still in the soul searching

quest to essentially get to where you're

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at, so I'm wondering if you can walk

us through what those look like for us.

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Andrea: Okay, so let's do a brief recap.

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First and foremost, I knew that I wanted

to help people, right, and secondly,

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I also wanted to be engaging in work

that I felt like this is what I was

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born to do, so at the time when I

was working as a lawyer, I picked law

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because number one, I didn't want to

do math, and number two, it was one

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way of helping people, but honestly.

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When you're like 19, what

do you know about life?

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Joshua: Oh, everything according to

some other teenagers I've talked to.

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Andrea: Okay.

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All right, so in the life that I grew

up, even though it was privileged

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in some ways, and absolutely

horrible in so many other ways,

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I didn't know enough about life.

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Okay?

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If you don't know enough about life, you

are never going to be able to dig deep

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enough because you have not accessed

those deeper parts of yourself, right?

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You can't find the why beneath the why,

so when I decided to quit law for the

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second and final time, I didn't know

what it is that I wanted to do, so this

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was end of 2020, and I made a list of

a hundred things that I would do for

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free forever, and the top three was to

be hanging around in exotic beaches in

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various bikinis, sponsored, obviously,

because influencer and to spread messages

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of positivity, and so I thought, "Let's

take the social media influencer route.",

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and at that time, I had decided, from

this point onwards, I am going to

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follow strictly what brings me joy.

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Not what I think is going to

be the best logical option.

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Not what I think what other people would

say, or what my parents would say is the

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best, most efficient route to success.

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I was going to do what brought me

joy, even if it didn't make sense.

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Even if it's just like a small decision

of whether I want to have a milkshake or

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have water tonight; just something like

that, so from that point onwards, I went

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from social media influencer, and then

a few people approached me saying, "Hey!

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I love what you're

doing with your account.

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Can you help me manage my account?",

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so then I pivoted to become

a social media manager.

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Did I know anything about how to become

a social media manager three months in?

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No, but within that three months,

I met someone who was a digital

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nomad coach and I thought, "Oh!

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I want to help women experience

transformative travel as well, but how

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can I help women build up a business in

he midst of a pandemic during:

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I was still building up my own business?",

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so obviously, it's safe to

say that business tanked,

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horrifically, but I thought, "Okay.

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You know what?

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I decided I'm going to-

not surrender- Well.

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I can say surrender.

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I'm going to throw my hands up

in the air, and I'm going to

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surrender to things that I cannot

control", because I was exhausted.

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I was burnt out, and I went interstate

on a holiday to Sydney, and when I

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was in Sydney, I happened to open

up my LinkedIn account after months,

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and there was an offer from this

director of a coaching institute here

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in Brisbane, offering me a job to be-

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Joshua: Wow.

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Andrea: to coach his clients

that came out of nowhere.

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I literally exchanged two comments

with him on one post about quantum

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shifting, and suddenly, an opportunity

landed on my lap, and the thing is if

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I had opened up my inbox a month or

two prior, I would have turned that

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job down because I was exhausted.

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I was burnt out, and I just didn't

have capacity to think clearly, or

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to even see what an opportunity that

was, because I would have still been

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focused on building my own business,

but because I decided to surrender and

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just focus on what brought me joy, what

brought me happiness, what gave me rest,

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suddenly it happened right when I had

capacity to take on the opportunity,

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so next thing you know, I went from

zero clients to 10 for the coming year.

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Joshua: Wow.

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Andrea: Right.

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Joshua: I'm sitting back in astonishment

because all it took was essentially using

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social media, engaging in conversation,

to land you a job, so there you go.

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That's the power of social media

using it for a positive force, and

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being able to do something, because

some people are very skeptical.

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They think about it as

being a negative influence.

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Here it is.

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It's landing you a job.

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I love that.

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You got your first 10 clients.

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What happened next?

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Andrea: What happened next was this

particular director had a bit of a

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disagreement with me, and another one

of the coaches that we were working

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together with in terms of how he wanted to

restructure his coaching institute, right?

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In terms of the business plan, and stuff

like that, so in the end, we decided

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to part ways, and right around the time

that we parted ways, I was learning NLP.

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My brother, whom I wasn't very close

with at the time, invited me to go

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over to his place to help him nanny,

because he wasn't able to find a nanny

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for his two kids at the time, and so

it was an opportunity to bridge this

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almost estranged family relationship.

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We didn't have a bad relationship.

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There was no ill will.

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We just didn't have

much of a relationship.

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That's all.

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There was no animosity, and so

I saw this as an opportunity.

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I thought, "Okay.

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You know what?

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I'm just going to go.",

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and from that point onwards, I had

opportunities to heal my entire family

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relationship, and when I say heal

entire family relationship, what I mean

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to say is that prior to this point,

every day that I spend with my parents,

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or at home, there's going to be some

sort of breakout of World War III.

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That was how bad it was.

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That was honestly how bad it

was, and within that year;

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this was 2022 at this point.

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Within 2022 and 2023, all my family

relationships were healed just like

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that, and while I was in that state,

I was not actually able to work on my

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business, because I was with family,

and they took up a lot of my time.

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They took up a lot of my energy.

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I was feeling quite stuck as well, and

this is where the next level of expansion

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came in, when I was stuck, and I did not

have the capacity to work on my business.

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I felt terrible.

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I felt really, really terrible,

and I felt like I was a failure.

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I felt like, "Why can't I do both?",

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and then I thought, "You know what?

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I lost focus.

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I stopped focusing on

what brought me joy.",

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and at that time, I said to myself,

"What was going to bring me joy?

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Oh!

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I'm going to go look for my soul family.",

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so I hired a Thetahealer, a trans

channeler who also did theta healing,

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and from that point onwards, I

experienced theta healing with her

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and my entire vibration just lifted.

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I felt so light.

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I had beliefs of, "I am

not enough removed.",

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and I had beliefs of, "I am lovable and

I'm enough installed within my being.",

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and that is how theta healing found

me, and I signed up to all the courses

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for theta healing for the rest of

the year, and all of that, doing all

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those courses to be certified as a

theta healer, it was the equivalent

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of doing 10 years of therapy.

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Joshua: Wait.

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You did 10 years of therapy equivalent

through theta healing, and you

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did that in less than a year?

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Andrea: In less than a year.

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In three full courses.

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Joshua: Wow.

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Andrea: Yes.

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Joshua: Wow.

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That is incredible.

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Yeah.

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Andrea: Exactly, and the thing is that

with all of these things, I want to

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give you more of a deeper perspective

of how magical this whole journey is.

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Prior to becoming a coach, I did not

know that there were such coaches.

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I thought coaches was like soccer

coaches, volleyball coaches.

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I didn't know that such coaches

existed, and same with theta healing.

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I can't even research something like that,

because I don't know that they exist.

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It's like having two physicians talking to

me about the physics of how balls bounce.

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I don't know what that is.

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Joshua: Yes.

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Andrea: So how can I research something

that I know nothing about, and I know

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nothing of its existence, but what I did

was with every single step of following

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my joy, following my curiosity, every

time I hit an emotional snag, I allowed

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myself to heal, and every single time

that happened, I opened myself up to

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everything, to everything that is for

me, to everything that is possible for

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me, and I allowed myself to take the next

step, to take that leap of faith, into the

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unknown, and that is when magic happens.

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Joshua: I was going to say, so the

magic that happened is that you decided

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coach, which is now today, why

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you're offering what you're offering:

ascension, mentoring, corporate

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meditations, transformational coaching.

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True?

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Andrea: Yes.

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Joshua: Out of the experiences that

you've had with other coaches, and

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what you even do now, what would

you say is the most rewarding aspect

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that you have created for yourself?

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Meaning, was it about the self love

that helped you propel that forward?

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Was it about the healing that you've

experienced with your family that

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really got you over that rock?

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What would you say was the number

one thing that was the switch

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that said, "I'm going all in."?

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Lots of people, I think they are so

focused on healing, because they feel

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that they have to be perfect to a certain

way, to a certain degree, before they are

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ready to do this, or certain things in a

circumstances have to be right, but there

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is never really a right time, and when

it comes to big things, and especially

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when it's things that are unknown to you,

you are never going to feel proper ready.

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How you know that you are ready is

when there is an opportunity that

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drops in front of you, and you take

the leap of faith, and you take

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that opportunity, because if you

were not ready, the opportunity

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would not even drop to begin with.

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Joshua: Do you think the theta

healing coach was one of those

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things that just dropped as one

of those opportunities, and if you

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don't believe that, you can tell me.

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Maybe it was just a sheer coincidence,

but from the way you're describing

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it, it sounds like to me that this was

set up for you to not only walk away

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from all that past that you were just

talking about earlier, but allowed you

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to get onto the path of what you really

enjoy doing, which is helping others.

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Is that fair to say?

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Andrea: Oh!

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It is absolutely a

hundred percent accurate.

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All of the things that dropped,

all the opportunities that dropped.

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If I were to look at everything in

the past, I can see how every single

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breadcrumb, even though on its own in

isolation, seemingly makes zero sense,

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okay, but when you follow each breadcrumb

at some point, six months down the line,

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a year down the line, two years down

the line, you're going to see how all

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of the dots connect, and that Theta

healer, she's actually a trans channeler.

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I didn't even know what Theta healing is-

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Joshua: What is Theta healing, by the

way, before you even go any further?

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Just for my listeners, because I'm- you

said it a few times and I meant to ask you

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earlier, so just catch us up with that.

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What would that entail if

I went to a Theta healer?

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Andrea: Theta healing is

basically quantum therapy, so we

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look into your energy centers.

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We dig deep into your subconscious

beliefs, and then we remove the programs

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that no longer serve you, so for example,

if you felt that you are worthy, and fully

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believe that you are worthy and deserving

of success and that you could have it,

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you would take every leap of faith.

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You would take all the steps.

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There would be not barely any

fear, or even if there was, you

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wouldn't care anyway, because you

know that this success is mine.

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This success is for me,

and I'm deserving of it.

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I'm worthy of it, right, but then because

of the subconscious beliefs that have

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been imposed on us from the time we were

young, we believe that we need people.

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We are afraid of rejection.

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We're afraid of abandonment.

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We believe that we are not enough,

because we've been conditioned to require

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people's approval, so if we removed

all of those beliefs and installed in

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all this more healthy beliefs that will

enable you to advance towards success,

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to advance towards wholeness, wouldn't

that make the journey so much more

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easeful, and so much more joyful as well?

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Joshua: Andrea.

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What do you think has to happen for

your life to be even more joyful

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than what it is now, because let's

be real, and I was being real with

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you before we started the show.

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I've been real consistently for my

listeners as I approach these magic

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numbers of 200 that flash across my

eyes for my show, I've learned a lot

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even in these discussions about what

it means to work through my stuff,

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and to actually do some of the things

that I advocate for my listeners to

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also do the same, because there are

essentially breadcrumbs for them too.

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You said it so accurately that

there are little hints that if

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you're willing to just pay attention

to them, they are staring at you

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although they're very, very small.

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You got to squint sometimes to look at it.

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What is it that you have to yet due

to attain even more joy than you

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already are, or have you attained it?

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Andrea: I feel like I have attained it.

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Joshua: But you know what?

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That's okay too, because that means to

me that what you're doing, what your

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program is, is also transforming not only

just yourself, but also your clients.

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Andrea: Yes, absolutely, and look.

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I say that I have attained that

joy, but it's not to say that there

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is no more joy to be attained.

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There are so many layers to us to

dig deeper, and the deeper we go, the

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greater joy we get to access, so I

think the first step I feel to attaining

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this joy is to understand that being

this joyful, being this state of

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love, it's actually our natural state.

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We don't have to do anything to

attain more, to be more recognized,

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or whatever, to attain this joy.

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You can access it yourself by accessing

yourself, digging deep within your

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beliefs, shifting and peeling back

the layers to find the joy that

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is your natural state, and that

can look and sound like anything.

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For you, Josh, I feel like when you

are asking me these questions and when

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you're conducting this podcast, I feel

that this is one form of an expression of

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your joy, because I feel that happiness.

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Joshua: Well.

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You are right, because I like

seeing my guests squirm a

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little bit, but that's okay.

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That's a whole other discussion in itself,

but no, to be truthfully serious, because

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I know that I could joke around a bit

and I can have that kind of fun because

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I feel a lot more sense of comfort and

relaxation knowing that I can have that

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kind of, that reciprocation knowing that

you know that I'm just getting around.

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Part of this for me is that I really

do believe that everybody's entitled

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to this best version of themselves.

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That's something that is the ultimate

mission of what I try to do too.

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Sometimes people don't see it in the

subjective ways that you're describing.

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Some of them want concrete,

empirical, objective analysis

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to be able to say, "This is what

I'm able to do to achieve that.",

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but that's just one modality.

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It doesn't mean that my modality is

wrong, or your modality is wrong.

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It's just the way, a process of doing

it, so to measure joy, how would you

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say for somebody that wants to attain

that same joyfulness that you have right

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now, which is obviously the epiphany of

it, that ability to create that, and

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you can manifest that, especially with

all kinds of things that you're doing.

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How can someone that has no experience,

has no idea what we've been talking

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about, be able to start that

process with even using some of the

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techniques that you've talked about?

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Andrea: Well, we could

start at the very beginning.

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Why don't you create a list of a hundred

things that you would do for free forever,

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and look at the top 5, look at the top 10,

and allow yourself to do that, and this

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is something that we live in this modern,

chaotic, busy world and culture of hustle.

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At the beginning, it is going to be

quite hard, because this is something

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that you have to make time to do.

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Joshua: Wait a moment.

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I need to do time with this?

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Bullshit!

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I don't want to do any of that,

and I say that with all earnest

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because some people will say, "Well,

I don't have that kind of time.",

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but I even say to my clients,

it's about what you really want.

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If you really, really want this, you

would put the time aside to make this

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a priority, and I've had to say that

to myself is that if I really, really

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want this, I would put that time to

work into not only what I need to

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achieve, but also what it is that I

ultimately want to see as the goal.

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When you say time, I want you

to be really earnest with you.

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How long did it take you to find that joy?

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Be real with us.

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Andrea: If I started, let's say

early:

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like full homecoming peak joy,

last year in, let's say, May.

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May, 2023.

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Joshua: The start of this podcast.

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How interesting.

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Go on.

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Andrea: Yeah, so let's say it took me

two and a half years; two and a half

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years of consistent walking in the

dark, in the unknown, following the

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breadcrumbs, allowing myself to hit every

single emotional snag, and go through

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every single through, not over, not

circumventing, not under, go through every

499

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single fear, go through working through

the vibrations of shame, and grief, and

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fear to get to this point, I would say two

and a half years, but that was my journey.

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Everyone's journey is different.

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Joshua: That is different, but part

of it is that was your timetable,

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and that's okay that it took you

that long, because look at you now.

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You're doing things that other

people would be envious of.

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They are happy about the

fact that they see this.

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Maybe some of them are not happy

because they're like, "Dang it!

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She's doing that.",

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but part of it is they're jealous,

and maybe it's a jealousy factor.

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Maybe it's something else, but to

me, you don't have to be jealous.

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That's a human, basic instinct that

sometimes we need to say, "That's

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not what we're trying to say.

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That's not what we're listening to today."

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We need to push that aside, and obviously,

you've had to work through a lot of

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things to get to that point, so let's

just break it down for what it is.

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Do you often feel, and I am looking at

your website as I even ask this, because

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a lot of the questions that you ask or

even questions that I even sometimes put

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my clients through to kind of understand

it; to get a kind of a profile of it.

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I mean, do you fear failure or making

mistakes with trying to achieve this

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joy that you're even working on now?

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I mean, obviously you're saying

to us that you've attained it,

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but you make mistakes, right?

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Andrea: Yeah.

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All of us make mistakes, but

in saying that, is it really a

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mistake and is it really failure,

or is it just a feedback loop?

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You try one way and it's like, "Oh, okay,

so maybe this is not giving you the joy,

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or the excitement, or the result that

you were hoping or expected, so okay.

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This is not the way.

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Try the next one; so what?"

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Joshua: I think that's a big

part of it is that you have

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to know that it's okay to try.

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It's okay to try again.

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Sometimes it takes multiple times

to try in order to find something

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that really adapts with you.

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With that said, Andrea, we're

almost at the end of our time.

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I can't believe how quickly it has

flown by, but I have to say this to you.

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I really, really earnestly

curious about this.

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You seem to me as somebody that really

is in touch with themselves, meaning you

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manifest something that comes from the

inside, and that's because of all this

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hard work, two and a half years worth

that you've gotten to at this point,

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and that's something to commend for.

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I congratulate you for that,

because not many people- Yeah.

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Not many people can easily say that,

and they are still working on themselves

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five years, 10 years, 15 years from now.

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What is your best piece of

advice to somebody that wants

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to start this journey today?

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They might not have the

resources to be able to work

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with somebody like you and me.

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They are just trying to just make

it day by day, trying to figure out

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what is their place on this earth.

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They're trying to transform themselves.

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What's one small thing that they could

do to start changing their mindset today,

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and I know that's a big ask, and there's

so many different choices to choose from,

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but in your experience, what do you think?

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Andrea: In my experience, because I work

so much with joy, and I've mentioned the

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word joy so much at this point I think

if anyone were to take a shot every

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time I say the word joy they'd be blind

drunk under the table by this point.

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Joshua: It'd be a drinking game, right?

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Andrea: Yes.

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Joshua: I'm not advocating for

drinking, by the way, my listeners.

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Please don't read into the between

the lines of that, but anyway.

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Andrea: I would say that my process

that has been the most life transforming

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for me is that I learned that joy is

the way our soul communicates with us,

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because it's our natural state, and so

every single time you follow your joy,

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it is going to synchronistically trigger

a set of events, because every single

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time you feel joyful, you feel inspired.

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You want to go do something, and if

you allow yourself to just go and do

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that thing, it will take you to the

next breadcrumb, and if you just allow

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yourself to follow that breadcrumb,

whilst at the same time, being completely

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detached from the outcome, and allowing

each experience to just be that

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experience, it is going to lead you to

be in a position where you're able to

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receive your higher purpose, because I

think that's what we all really want.

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We want to have direction.

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We want to have purpose, and following

your joy is the most supportive, most

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abundant path for you to achieve that, and

the thing is, what's really interesting is

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that there will be several layers to this.

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You're going to find your direction.

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You're going to find your purpose, right,

and that can look like a career, or that

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can look like a life path or whatever

it is, but when you get to that point,

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you're going to realize that you're just

here to have fun, and the purpose, this

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career, or this work, is just one aspect

of it, but you're just here to have

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fun, and the deeper you go, the more you

access your soul, the more you access

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your frequency, you'll realize that you're

just here to do this because you want to.

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You're just here to do this life

on earth because you want to.

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Joshua: Those are some wise words.

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I have more thoughts with that,

but before I say them to wrap us

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up, Andrea, why don't you give

our audience a few minutes here.

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I'll let you have those to describe your

coaching, people might be interested.

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I did not mention until just now, although

I'll list it later on about the fact

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that you are an international guest.

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You're living in the great old

country of Australia, which I've

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always enjoyed my Australian guests.

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You are no exception to that, but I'm

wondering if you can let people know

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how they can get in contact with you.

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If they are interested in

coaching, maybe there's some

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way that they can get in touch.

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Maybe you want to describe a little bit of

some of your coaching offerings although

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I hinted at this a little bit earlier.

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Maybe you also want to leave us

some social media that we can

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follow you on, but with all those

things, I'll give you the last few

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minutes to share all that with us.

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Andrea: Okay, so the best first

step to do would be to go to

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my website, www.andreafung.com.

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I trust that, Josh, you have all

of the links to my socials at

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this point, which will be listed.

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Have a look at that, and see what

it is that actually appeals to you.

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The best way to work with me is I have

packages of three sessions, six sessions,

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or it could be three months or six months,

but I would always start with a three

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session energy healing first, because

with those ones, we will be able to see

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whether we jive, how well we actually

work together, and it will be the part

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where we start getting an energetically

intimate with each other to put it in

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plain terms, and so with that one, with

the starting point, it's about identifying

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one particular problem, one particular

fear, and we'd completely address that.

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We eliminate that.

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We shift that, and then from that

point onwards, we'll see what

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is the next level of ascension.

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Another way to contact me, to access

my content would be through Instagram.

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That would be the best way to contact

me, and if you are a burnt out, stressed

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out, corporate professional or soulful

entrepreneur, and you're looking for more.

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You want to experience a life of joy.

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This is not about selling your wealth,

or fame, or abundance, or whatever.

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I'm talking about accessing your soul,

and embodying that soul frequency, and

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awakening to the joy that is within you

towards finding your higher purpose.

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If that is something that appeals to

you, if that's something that speaks

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to you, if you're receiving this

transmission, then get in contact.

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I would love to get to know you.

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Joshua: I think they

heard you loud and clear.

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I will put everything in

the episode notes for sure.

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I'm going to leave this with this note.

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I have to.

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I feel it's an obligation.

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You said something about not only joy,

but about finding that way to have

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fun, and you remind me of a guest named

Piret who talked about the concept of

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happiness when I had her on the show.

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That's really what we're ultimately

striving towards, but the one thing that

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you added an extra layer to that I wish

that I would have dug in with Piret was

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the fact that you are doing this in a

way that unlocks people's ability to

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see inside themselves not just the best

version, which I would describe it as, but

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the way that you describe on your website:

perpetual transformation and empowerment,

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and I think that's where we find our

joy when we have that perpetuality

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and that curiosity to seek it out.

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You have sought it out.

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Once a lawyer turn into many other hats

into what you're doing now, Andrea.

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I freaking love it so much.

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You, like I said, remind me

of who I wanted to be, but

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turned into something else.

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I got there.

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It took me way longer

than less than a year.

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It took me 14 years, but it got

me to where I'm at now, and for

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all those reasons, thanks for

being a version of myself, Andrea.

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Thanks for being on

Speaking From The Heart.

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I am so happy for you, and I only wish

you so much more success for your business

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and beyond, and from one international

coach to another international

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coach, thank you for all you're

doing to help others find their joy.

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Andrea: Thank you, Josh, for creating this

platform and for creating this space to

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allow your guests to be seen and heard,

and also to allow everyone else listening

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to your podcast who resonates with the

messages and the wisdom shared to feel

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seen and heard, because on this journey

of personal development, sometimes you

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feel like we are all so alone, but I

think we just need to realize that there

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are other people who are also going

through similar journeys, and it's nice

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to just have that bit of community to

know that there are other people out

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there who are feeling the same way,

who are going on a similar journey, and

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that we're all really just walking each

other home to ourselves, to joy, so

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thank you so much for having me here.

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Joshua: Absolutely, and I

definitely agree with you.

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It's a collaborative effort, so thanks

again for sharing your perspective.

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Andrea: Thank you.

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Joshua: Again, I want to thank Andrea

so much for being part of the show,

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sharing her energy, which was something

that I still feel so empowered, even

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after all this time, even after all

these perspectives that I have learned

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on the show, and have been able to gain

so many different types of perspectives

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alongside of you, my listeners, I think

this episode hits a little bit differently

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for me today, and I think it's all because

I am living, in this very moment, this

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transformation that Andrea has undergone,

because I still, even after all this time,

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work a full time job, and I am afraid.

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I'm afraid of taking that big step

forward, even after everything that

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I have ever achieved, I know that on

the precipice of that threshold that

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I can cross, I have this ability to

be a high performing, highly energetic

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leader myself, so Andrea, when you

listen to this, thank you so much for

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being part of this show and inspiring

me to keep on walking that path because

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I am going to cross that threshold.

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I'm super excited about it, and I

appreciate everything that you have

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shared with me, even afterwards, that

I am going to even share here today for

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our listeners, so let's break it down.

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I think that you can learn so

much about Andrea's story just

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because of all the different

types of careers that we all have.

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Sometimes we have these

quests that we go on.

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We're trying to figure out what is

the best way to overcome, to be able

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to learn the ways that we are able to

influence others, to find that hobby,

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to find that knowledge that we are

drawing upon in order to help others.

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It could be in a trade.

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It could be in a skill.

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It could be just by helping others

with their legal problems: family law,

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domestic law, other types of general

work, real estate for that matter.

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Andrea has covered a lot of different

territories, but there was one territory

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that I think really shines brightly

for her today, which is the territory

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of really getting to the heart of

why she's doing all this in the first

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place, and that is to help others.

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Doing a good job, doing something

really well, and giving people that

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option to know that they're working

with somebody that is of a high

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caliber, a world class influencer, is

certainly a great gold star to put on

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your resume, but is that simply enough?

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Is that enough to really cross that

threshold, that precipice, that I'm

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talking about even in my own life?

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I think for all of us, we're trying to

design in our lives what it is that we

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want to measure our success, but success

is really by answering the question

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of why, which beneath the surface, is

answering yet another question of why are

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you doing what you're doing, so there's

really two layers, and even more layers,

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of asking that question of why, but

those skills, the life skills that are

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needed, the things that we engage with,

the things that create opportunity, means

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that we have to dig deeper than we might

have never thought we could ever dig.

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Sometimes we want to deal with so

many different types of opportunities,

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getting from point A to point B, but

it could be really point A to point

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Z, which we've talked about on a

variety of different episodes here on

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this podcast, which I encourage you.

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Go listen to anybody else, and you'll

see that it took them so many different

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types of steps, even for my own journey,

even at this point, to be able to finally

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land on something that I really love

doing which is helping people find their

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voice, and Andrea is doing just the same.

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Helping other people find that voice,

and really, if you can think about

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it, how many voices does it take for

somebody to be propelled upward into

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this stratosphere so that we can help

family relationships, helping people work

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through their differences, overcoming

obstacles that might otherwise never

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be touched if it wasn't for the power

of listening, hearing what other

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people have to say, and using our voice

to change this ever changing world.

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I think that what surfaces above all

else is that we come from a place of not

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only wanting to love someone, but also

wanting to heal, because that loving

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and healing, no matter whether you're

a child, or you're growing up into the

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adolescent phase, or even becoming an

adult, just like we've talked about with

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the three chair model that we had with

Jenny Jansen many episodes ago, I think

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you realize that some of the bad habits,

some of the things that we've learned

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from a long time ago need to break.

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They need to be shattered, just

like a mirror when you throw it

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against a wall, and it breaks into

millions of pieces, it's not because

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you're going to get bad luck.

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It's because you're finally

destroying that old version of what

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you've been looking at for so long.

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There's never really a right moment to

actually do that, and even then, for

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myself, building this business, building

my ability to help others, and keep on

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grinding and working and thinking that

I can do so much more, means that I know

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that I might not always be ready for the

task, but when I'm faced with it with no

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other options, those breadcrumbs start

to appear, because they've been there

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this whole entire time, and when you

show up with the way in which you have

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all these wonderful skills, all this

knowledge, that you've been surfacing,

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that you've been burying for so long,

that's when you were finally realizing

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that you're designing your life in

the way in which you really wanted to

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achieve and that achievement is joy.

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Joy.

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What a wonderful natural state to be in.

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To be able to access that on a

continuous basis, knowing that

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you have no more worry whatsoever.

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If there is any sort of recollection of

a moment in time in which you felt that

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way maybe it was when you were a child.

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Maybe the hundreds of things that got

piled on as you got older, and you had

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more responsibilities, and the things

that you had to take care of, got buried

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underneath all the things that you were

doing at that time as a kid creating

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that connection, getting things done in

a way in which really bonded with the

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human connection, and created that joy.

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I think that in our lives, we have to

find ways in which we find feedback, these

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opportunities for creating those feedback

loops, so that we can be here to have fun.

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Fun is not a word that I would easily

associate with my life, and maybe for

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many of you, you wouldn't associate

either, but think about it this way.

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All this talk that we hear all this time

about living your best life, putting all

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those fears, all those insecurities away,

and working on yourself, means that you

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have to focus on not just the journey that

you've been walking on, but also helping

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others to see that they have that freedom,

that expression to create opportunities

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that they would have otherwise not had.

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I know for many of us,

that's easier said than done.

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That means we have to break the mold that

we've been always looking at, making sure

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that we rip up the playbook, just like

we experienced here in the United States

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with the Super Bowl, which of course, my

hometown heroes, the Philadelphia Eagles,

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taking that championship, certainly

shared a lot of joy for all of us, but

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what if we were able to take that energy,

that momentum that ability for us to

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build relationships regardless of the

differences that we might experience,

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and create joy where joy might not exist

for others, or even for our own lives.

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Andrea and I had a lot of discussions

after the show and even got to the point

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where she was always asking, "Are you

doing what you really are set out to do?"

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Andrea, I don't know if I am.

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Even after 194 episodes, I'm still

figuring out what that looks like, and

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I'm still trying to figure out, even

in my own life, what it means to work

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with others to unlock that passion;

to let them see that freedom exists.

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Does that mean that it

makes me a fraud of a coach?

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Absolutely not, because that means

that I have a gift for something else.

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She has a gift for somebody

that is willing to hear what it

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takes to unlock their freedom.

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The joy of knowing that you don't have

to be stuck in these two out of ten ways.

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You don't have to be

trapped in a dead end job.

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You don't have to be stuck in

this white collar, blue collar

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atmosphere, knowing that you can

do what you really need to do.

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This world, for many people,

is a very scary place nowadays.

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With a number of different changes,

especially in the United States that

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have ripple effects across the world,

I can understand your sediment.

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I can understand why you think that you

need to have some deeper skills so that

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you can transverse these waves, and

maybe in this life that you're living in

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fear, or maybe living in joy currently,

can't we all experience the same thing

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if we're able to put the same energy into

celebrating our favorite football team?

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Maybe even playing a game of sorts that

allows us to work on our best habits,

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to build relationships with others

so that that healing and loving that

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we desperately seek can start today.

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Those breadcrumbs, those things that

maybe are very invisible for us to

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see at the present time, means that

we have to unlock a joyful life.

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It means that we have to dig deeper than

we might have otherwise never dug before.

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It means that we have to share in our

life what it means to have that connection

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with someone that we deeply care about.

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Andrea really showed me in this

interview today that as I get closer

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to the episode number 200, and I get

closer to this freedom that I have in

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my life, I know that doing a good job,

doing something to the best of my own

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ability, means that I have to dig deep.

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I have to walk a path that even though

I don't know what that why might be,

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it might also mean that I have to take

a risk, to step outside my own comfort

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zone, even when all the chips are not

aligned, and being able to understand

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that taking risks can have massive reward.

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It can pay over hundreds of

millions of dollars of dividends.

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Not just in the financial sense, but

in the reality that we all live in.

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I don't know about you, but I think

that we are living in a falsehood.

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We often are viewing the world as if

it's all negative, that we don't see

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sunshine and rainbows sometimes, and

that even with the cloudy skies that

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might be overcast, it might be putting

us into a different type of mood.

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Just know that joy always exists.

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We just have to realize

that we're here to have fun.

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We're here to see what it looks like

to live this life and realize that even

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though we have massive responsibilities,

whether that's for our kids, or family,

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or otherwise, being ready is never going

to be a reality, because the reality

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that we're living today allows us to

have that freedom, and that freedom

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is only a hand grasp away; a coaching

session away, if you will, or even just

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acknowledging in your heart, in your

soul, that even if you wanted to do

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a good job, you're already doing it.

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Press forward.

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Don't be burned out anymore.

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Don't let careers, or fears, or any other

sort of inhibition hold you back from the

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ultimate destiny that you have in front of

you, because it's filled with joy, love,

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and happiness, and even if you think it's

all negative, and it's all full of anxiety

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and depression, take it from me, somebody

that has lived through some of the worst

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things that they could ever imagine

that the human race could live through.

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If you can recover from anything that

has been really bad in your life,

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imagine the possibilities of unlocking

your true potential through joyful

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activity, and having fun where you

otherwise might have never experienced

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if you didn't open your eyes to these

wonderful possibilities that surround us.

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Thanks for listening to episode

number 194 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

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Visit us at www.yourspeakingvoice.biz

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Joshua D. Smith is the Owner and Founder of Your Speaking Voice, a life coaching, business coaching, and public speaking company based in Carlisle, PA. Serving clients across the world, Joshua got his start in personal/professional development and public speaking in April of 2012 through his extensive involvement in an educational non-profit organization called Toastmasters International.

Toastmasters International operates clubs both domestically and internationally that focus on teaching leadership, development, and public speaking skills. Joshua quickly excelled in Toastmasters International and found that he had a passion for leadership and helping others find their confidence and their true "speaking voice". Joshua has held all club officer roles and most District level positions in Toastmasters International and belongs to numerous clubs throughout the organization. Joshua has also been recognized as two-time Distinguished Toastmaster, the highest award the organization bestows for achievement in leadership and communication.

Outside of his community involvement, education is something that Joshua has always taken great pride in. His academic achievements include a number of degrees from Alvernia and Shippensburg University. He earned a Bachelor's degree in political science and communications from Alvernia in 2009, a masters of business administration from Alvernia in 2010, and later a masters in public administration from Shippensburg in 2014.

In the professional world, Joshua has held multiple positions with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for over 14 years which includes a variety of data analytics, procurement, budgeting, business process improvement (IT and non-IT), legal compliance, and working with the blind. He has applied his public speaking and development skills in the professional world to tackle numerous public speaking engagements and presentations from all levels of the organization, including executive management.

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