Episode 103
Episode #99 - Going Through Hell To Become Much Stronger: An Interview With Brock Waluk
Imagine growing up in a stable household, being able to get good grades, move on to have a successful career, and have a loving family. For many of us, this was (and is) possibly the life that evolved for us. However, what would happen if something shifted in the series of events that would change not just the plans you have set out for yourself, but the course of your entire mission on this Earth forever? Today's guest, Brock Waluk, shares his very open story about being thrown off course, surrounding himself with new positive influences, and creating the Next Generation Personal Training brand to help empower not only his clients, but his impressive team, to regain their lives. Oftentimes, we have to step through unbelievable amounts of self-doubt and give "pep talks" to ourselves in order to carry through on our promises and aspirations of what we want to envision becoming a reality, but the short-term disciplines that distance us from the disruptors can certainly make us stronger (& wiser) for all that we set out to accomplish, even if it just for getting through leg day at the gym.
Guest Bio
Brock grew up in the small town of Wyalusing, PA, and resides in Mechanicsburg, PA currently. He grew up a good kid but had a rebellious stint after graduating high school, where he ended up being arrested and in jail a few times, but learned a lot in the process of making poor life choices. He was the first to attend a higher education university (Lock Haven) in his family. He studied sports medicine/athletic training and was married at 23 years old, then divorced at 30 years old, where during that marriage, his amazing 8 year son Justus was born. He remarried in 2022 at 37 years old to his beautiful wife Courtney, who does social media for a few local companies, including his business, Next Generation Personal Training. He started Next Generation Personal Training in 2015 and has been training for a total of 16 years. In 2022, he partnered with Ark Fitness, opening in August of 2022, growing from 2 trainers to 12 trainers, and from 70 clients to almost 300.
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Intro/Outro By: Michael Dugan, Podcast Host: Voice4Chefs
Transcript
Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and
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:determination all converge into
an amazing, heartfelt experience.
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:This is Speaking From The Heart.
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:Joshua: Welcome back to a very special
episode 99 of Speaking from the Heart.
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:Now today I'm doing a little bit different
and if you were expecting a monologue
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:episode, you are in for a surprise,,
because instead we have a guest being
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:featured on episode number 99 in lieu
of my own monologue, and the reason why
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:is because this is the eve of my 100th
episode in which I'm doing something
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:very special, I decided to switch
things up, so thank you if you were
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:anticipating listening to a monologue
episode, you get to hear from somebody
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:that I have really enjoyed working with,
and you will see why in this episode.
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:Today we have Brock Waluk with us,
and Brock grew up in the small town of
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:Wyalusing, Pennsylvania, and currently
resides in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,
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:in which he had grew up to be a good
kid, but had a very rebellious stint
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:after graduating high school, where
he ended up being arrested and in jail
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:a few times, but learned a lot in the
process of making poor life choices.
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:He was the first to attend a
higher education university, which
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:is Lock Haven University, in his
family, where he studied sports
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:medicine and athletic training,
and was married at 23 years of age.
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:He later divorced at 30 years of age,
where during that marriage, his amazing
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:8 year old son, Justus, was born.
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:He remarried in 2022 at 37 years of age
to his beautiful wife, Courtney, who does
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:social media for a few local companies,
including Brock's own business, Next
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:Generation Personal Training, which
we talk a lot about in this episode.
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:He started Next Generation Personal
Training in:
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:for a total of 16 years overall.
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:In 2022, he partnered with Ark Fitness,
also located in Mechanicsburg, opening
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:in August of 2022, where they had grown
from two trainers to over 12 trainers,
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:and from 70 clients to almost 300.
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:Now, there will be a very important
connection that you probably have already
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:identified that I will allude to when we
open this episode with Brock, but there's
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:a lot that we talked about that even for
myself, somebody that has known him now
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:for a few years, my mouth dropped open
with some of the things that he had made
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:in terms of those poor choices when he was
growing up, but I think that what we learn
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:about ourselves, and our past versions
of ourselves, is even though that we go
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:through hell, we have to find the ways in
which we need to get paid for our worth,
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:regardless of the fact that we might have
a record of ourselves, which truthfully, I
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:also have a record of myself, which we'll
talk about at the end of this episode, but
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:when you stop believing in those voices
that are telling you no, you are going
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:to be able to give yourself so much more
value than you might have never realized.
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:But with that, let's go to the episode.
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:All right.
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:We're here with Brock Waluk.
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:Brock, thanks for sharing
your heart with us today.
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:Brock: Hey, Josh.
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:Thanks for having me on, man.
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:I really appreciate it.
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:Joshua: Dude.
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:I am so pumped to finally get you on
the show, and for those that might be
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:wondering, "Why am I so pumped, and
doesn't this name sound familiar?"
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:It's because all the way back in episode
six, when I interviewed Noah Snyder of
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:Ark Fitness, there was a connection made
because of you being referenced there so
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:that's where we all bridge this together,
so Brock, it's cool to have you on the eve
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:of my 100th episode, so thank you so much
for taking some time to be with me today.
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:Brock, I really want to start with this
question about your upbringing, because
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:when I let the audience know a little
bit about you, I noticed the fact that
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:you lived in Wyalusing, Pennsylvania
and probably people are like, "Where
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:is Wyalusing, Pennsylvania, so do you
want to talk a little bit about your
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:upbringing there and getting into
some of your early years, especially
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:before you started the business?
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:Brock: Sure man, so Wyalusing,
Pennsylvania is in north central, PA,
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:and it's a very, very rural area out
in the middle of nowhere: dirt roads,
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:cows, tractors, factory work mostly, and
one thing I'll say to keep it quick is
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:that, in the biggest way, I noticed that
most people that stayed in that area
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:didn't do a lot as far as chasing their
dreams, or moving forward in their life.
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:It's a lot of factory work, which
I appreciate those people, because
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:we need those people, but I wanted
to get out in the worst way, right?
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:I worked in those factories.
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:I worked in butcher shops.
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:I worked on farms and I was
like, "This sucks for me."
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:Yeah, again, somebody has to do it, but
I just wanted to do something different,
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:right, so I was looking to get out in the
worst way, but I will say that, at times,
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:it's cool to grow up in a small town.
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:It's quiet, it's quaint, it's nice to
get away, but there's not much to do.
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:I think the closest mall was like
an hour and a half; closest grocery
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:store was a 20 minute drive, and
it was a small grocery store.
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:If you wanted to go to a Walmart,
it was over an hour drive, so there
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:wasn't a ton to do where I grew up.
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:Joshua: It reminds me so much of my
childhood too, because I also lived
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:in the boonies, but not so much where
you live because that was truly a once
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:industrial place too, for sure, but
for me, I grew up around cow tipping
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:and goats were herding and all kinds
of things, so I can relate dude.
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:The dirt roads and all of those
things were some of my common
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:occurrences as well, but I've
noticed too that you've been to jail?
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:I think that's just, first off, very
opening of people because I would be very
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:ashamed, but I will tell you that, from
even from my own personal experience, I've
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:had my run ins with the law when I was 16
years of age, so I can definitely relate
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:to having kind of a rebel side, but what
exactly transpired to get you in jail?
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:Brock: I went to jail when I was 21
committed to crime when I was 20 and I'll
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:kind of lead up to how that happened, and
I was mostly a pretty good kid growing up.
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:I didn't get into a lot of trouble.
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:I played sports, so I wanted
to keep my nose clean.
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:I think I had two detentions
ever in high school.
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:One of those was from not turning in
my homework, and I think one was for
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:talking in class, like it was kind
of silly things, right, but I went to
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:college and even prior to college, I
wrestled, I got into boxing in college,
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:and I always had a little bit of a
rebellious side that was suppressed, I
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:would say, probably for a good reason
and my brother was kind of the same way.
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:It's interesting how I think genetics
can play a role in a lot of things,
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:obviously environment too, but my
brother did a lot of crazy stuff and
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:we did a lot of crazy stuff together.
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:Not that I need to get into a lot of that
just; stuff we didn't get caught for, but
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:I got into this habit in college where I
would go to parties, I would drink, and I
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:would fight and it seemed like it was fun.
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:It was, I don't know, the
kind of let out aggression.
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:It was just like your typical stuff.
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:Kids find an outlet, like my
parents went through a divorce.
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:It was this whole thing, and I had a
girlfriend that had broken up with me
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:and it was like the first heartbreak.
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:It was just like all this stuff that
kind of pent up and so my outlet was to
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:drink at parties and I wouldn't start
fights, but if something was about
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:to go down, I was like, "Okay, cool.
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:Let's do it."
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:That led to multiple occasions of
that happening over probably six to
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:eight months; maybe a year and a half
period, and there was a couple of close
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:calls where people were getting hurt,
and cops were called, and I had never
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:gotten in trouble, but for some reason
I didn't take that as a warning sign
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:that something bad could happen, and I
went to Lock Haven University and it was
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:my first week of- I guess it would of
been my sophomore year, and I usually
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:would never go out on a Thursday night
because I was still attending classes.
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:I wasn't stupid.
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:I mean, yes, I was stupid as
far as some of the things I did,
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:but I was showing up to class.
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:I was smart with it, so it was the only
Thursday night, thirsty Thursday, that I
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:ever went out, and just got super drunk.
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:I was on the way home from the party,
got an argument with a guy, got in a
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:fight, and then this one is the one that
did me in because I ended up fracturing
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:his eye socket and his cheekbone.
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:I didn't know that at the time.
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:I got called to campus
security that night.
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:They found out what happened or some
witnesses and they're like, "Oh yeah.
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:The guy had to go to the hospital."
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:I was like, "What?
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:That's crazy."
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:I just didn't know what was going on,
and so they let me go, but they had
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:to report it to the police, right,
but the cops weren't there that night.
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:The next night, I was out at
Penn State at a bar drinking
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:underage with a friend of mine.
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:Again, I was drunk, and I got a call on
my phone, and it was the Clinton County
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:Police Department, which is where Lock
Haven is located, and they are like, "Mr.
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:Waluk.
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:There's a warrant out for your arrest.
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:You have to turn yourself in."
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:I was like, "Well, I'm out.
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:I'm at Penn State drunk right now."
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:I didn't say that, but I was like,
"I'll turn myself in tomorrow.",
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:so I drove back, turned myself in.
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:They booked me.
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:They hit me with aggravated assault,
which if you don't know, is a felony,
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:so I was facing three to five years in
jail, and it turned my life around.
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:I was like, "Oh my God.
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:This is really real now."
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:I had to call my mom multiple times up to
that point of just like smaller things,
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:so then call my mom to say, "Hey mom.
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:I got arrested.
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:You need to come bail me out.", so my mom
drove down from Wyalusing to bail me out.
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:Obviously, she wasn't super
happy with me, and so I got out
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:and then I still didn't quit.
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:I had lost my license even before that for
an underage drinking incident, so I was
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:still underage during this incident, and
then, I went on for a couple of weeks
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:at school, the school found out about it.
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:I got kicked out of school.
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:I got called to the dean's office
and kicked me out of school,
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:because it technically happened on
campus, and I went home and I worked
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:construction; you know, the things
that I knew how to do at that time,
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:but I still didn't make good choices.
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:I went and I bought a crotch rocket,
a GSXR:
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:a high speed chase with the cops.
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:Yeah, it's stupid.
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:I got a gun drawn on me that time.
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:Joshua: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait,
wait, so you had the fear of going to
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:jail because of the aggravated assault
charge, but yet you went and bought a
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:motorcycle essentially, and you were
in a high speed chase with a cop.
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:Are you serious?
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:Multiple cops, so it's just- I was
reckless, man, like I was self destructing
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:my own life, right, and people sometimes
go down- I see it, you know, and I think
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:sometimes you can't outperform how you
view yourself, and at that point in
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:time of my life, I was viewing myself, I
don't even call it a loser or whatever.
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:I just felt like I didn't
amount to much, so my actions
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:amounted how I viewed myself.
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:I was in this major self destruct
mode, and so I get in this high
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:speed chase with all these cops.
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:It was through the county,
and all this stuff.
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:It was crazy, right, and putting myself
at risk, putting other people's lives at
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:risk, putting these cops lives at risk;
first time I ever got a gun drawn on
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:me, right, and thankfully, after I got
arrested that time, I'm super polite.
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:"Yes, sir."
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:"No, sir.", and for some reason,
the cops liked me, the DA liked me.
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:They actually let me go, and
they did not impound my bike.
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:I had to call my mom again, "Mom-", this
is literally two months after this other
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:incident happened, I got arrested again.
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:"Can you come get me?"
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:My poor mother.
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:Joshua: Yeah, I feel bad for mom in this
whole situation, but with all that said,
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:Brock, I mean, first off, I would have
never known, and I've known you now for
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:a few years because of Ark Fitness and
Noah and getting to know your personality
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:and really know what you are to a core.
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:This completely blows my mind because it's
not the same person that I've gotten to
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:know, so, I guess my question is, looking
back, do you feel that, that old Brock
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:that was going on high speed chases,
getting drunk, getting into fights, do you
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:think that he lived in a life of shame?
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:Brock: Yeah, for sure.
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:100 percent for sure, and it's
interesting too, I'll say that
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:when I then saw- cause most
people look at me that way.
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:"Wow.
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:I can't believe-" Even prior to me
doing that, people were so surprised
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:of my actions, right, because I
was generally a pretty good dude.
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:I was super respectful of people.
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:All my teachers like me.
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:I was a good kid, so then I'm
like going back to my town.
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:I'm going to the local fairs and stuff,
and then these people are looking at me,
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:because they read it all in the paper,
like all this stuff that happened.
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:because that's big news in my town, right?
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:It was definitely a shameful life, but
I felt like I couldn't get out of it
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:at that moment for whatever reason.
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:Oh, I wouldn't say I couldn't.
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:I didn't want to.
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:Joshua: What made you
change then as a result?
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:What was the pivotal moment that made
you realize it, because I know you said
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:earlier that, "Yeah, when I got the
charges, that really changed a lot of
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:things", but it didn't change everything,
because you went and did it again, so
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:what was that moment that, like the snap
of the fingers, made you realize, "Shit!
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:I need to change something now, or I'm
going to go and have a very bad life, or
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:I'm going to end up in jail for real?"
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:It was multiple moments along the way and
choices; better choices along the way,
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:but one of those moments was the first
night I spent in jail and not to get into
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:all the stuff that happens, but- and it's
not like I spent a few months in jail.
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:It wasn't long, but long
enough to know, like, "Wow.
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:I don't want to do that
again.", right, so-
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:Joshua: Yeah.
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:Brock: So when you first go in, maybe
every jail is different, and actually
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:I'll say they do things differently,
and I'll tell you, but you spend, I
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:can't remember what it's called now, but
basically you're like in solitary for the
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:first few days, so I was in a jail cell
by myself, lights on the entire time.
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:They don't shut them off even at
nighttime, so days on days, you get let
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:out for one hour a day to shower and make
a phone call; at least this was their
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:policy, and you can only sleep so much.
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:After the second or
third day, man, I broke.
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:I started bawling.
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:I mean, all the emotions that were
bent up inside and I was like,
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:"What am I doing to my life, right?
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:That was one of those pivotal moments,
and I had a couple of those along the
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:way, and while I was in there, and then
I got out and I got in more fights after
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:I got out of jail, but I was making
better choices along the way, and then
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:I started making better choices of the
people that I was surrounding myself with,
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:because that's not who I wanted to be.
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:I wanted to be different, but I
didn't know where to look, right,
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:because the people at the time
in my life were good people.
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:They're good people at heart, but
they're like me, right, and if I want
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:to be different, I need to start looking
elsewhere and hanging out with different
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:people that are making different decisions
and moving forward with their life because
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:I really wanted that, so I will say
there's a couple pivotal decisions along
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:our movements along the way emotionally,
but then it was just about making better
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:decisions more often, and that led me down
this path of personal growth and personal
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:development for years and years and years.
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:That's still continuing, and
then I just found that other
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:side of me, it's still in there.
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:I know it's in there because not that I
get moments of angst of like, "Oh, I want
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:to go back to that life.", but that side
of me is still there, and I know it's
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:there, but I just kind of keep it at bay.
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:Do you ever hear that one saying
about there's two wolves and
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:whichever one, like it's the one
that you feed the most, right?
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:Joshua: Yes.
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:Yes.
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:Brock: Yeah, so I just feed the
wolf thats the one that's going to
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:move me in the direction that my
life should be going, right, so.
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:Joshua: I've been talking about this
quite a lot, even in my own episodes
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:about there's really been two versions
of me, Brock, that as I've gotten through
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:and grown quite a lot that I need to
separate myself from the old version of
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:who I was because I don't want to feed
that anymore, but I really want to be
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:this better version of myself, so it's
really been an exploration of, like you
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:said, surrounding yourself with the right
people, the right resources, the right
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:sort of attitudes that will help you stay
and keep that past version of yourself at
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:bay, because it is a part of us and I have
to say, I'm pretty impressed by your story
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:of how that transformation has happened
for you because, first off, what you
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:didn't say, which I want to reemphasize
for my listeners is that you were first
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:generation essentially to go to college.
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:Yeah, you were told to go to college,
but I think that is so inspiring in a
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:way that you're setting a trend, like
you've always set that trend, so I've
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:got to give you kudos because for some
people that I've worked with, even
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:in my business, sometimes just seeing
that awareness is a big part of it.
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:I don't know if you had anything
you wanted to say about that.
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:Is there something that has really helped
you to see why it was really important to
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:you to stay in school, despite all these
things, and being kicked out, and kind
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:of going back in and getting what you
have earned, which essentially, getting
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:your athletic training degree, being able
to help others with sports medicine, I
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:mean, it's really helped you in what you
do now, which we're going to talk about
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:in a moment, but, do you think that has
played a big role in what you do today?
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:Brock: 100%, and I think realizing
what my potential could be- you
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:know, I get pretty philosophical
with some of this stuff, man, like
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:I hear things and they just click.
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:Joshua: I think you should drop
those nuggets for our listeners,
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:Brock, if you got them on your heart,
because I think that it might be
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:something, and I had never heard
of anybody being in jail before.
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:I think it's really profound to kind
of hear some of these things from you.
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:Brock: Yeah, so there's a couple of
things that I heard along the way that
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:really just made me think, "Oh, what
am I doing, and what do I want to be?"
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:One of those things is that one day,
when you're at the end of your life,
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:and whether you believe in an afterlife
or there's something after this, right,
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:and there's been other people that
have said this, but I'm stealing this.
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:It's not an original thought, but I
just like it, right, and then you get
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:the gates, or whatever it is, you're in
this room and you're seeing this vision
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:or this TV's flashing someone's life
before you that's you on the screen,
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:but your life looks nothing like that.
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:It's like all these things that this
person was accomplishing, right,
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:and you're like looking at it.
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:You're like, "Who's this?",
and they're like, "That's the
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:person that you could have been."
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:Another way to say it is the true
definition of hell is the person
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:that you are, someday, meeting the
person that you could have been.
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:Joshua: Wow.
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:I don't think I ever thought of it that
way, even for myself, that I want to
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:put that person in hell, essentially,
that I didn't want to be, and yet at the
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:same time, I can say one day, "Ha ha.
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:I was able to accomplish things, and you
said I could not", and that's a big deal.
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:Brock: That keeps me on track.
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:I will say, I have a eight year old son.
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:He keeps me on track because, I mean,
one of my life endeavors is to break
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:off family curses, right, and things
that are generational in my family:
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:alcoholism, and abuse, and divorce, so
some of these things I've been able to
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:overcome, some of them, it's a work in
progress, and I just want my son to be
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:able to stand on my shoulders and not have
to go through the same stuff that I went
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:through, so it's like a mission of mine,
legitimately, to defeat these demons, or
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:whatever you want to call it, that have
been in my family for years and years.
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:Joshua: I can't tell you how much
I resonate with that at this very
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:moment, even as I go through and I
look at some of the things that have
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:happened in my life and I realize, "Wow.
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:I do not want to repeat the same
mistakes as my father, my mom."
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:I want to learn from what they have been
through and also not repeat those same
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:behaviors that got them in what they are
in the first place, which I'm not saying
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:they haven't had a fulfilling life.
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:Don't get me wrong, but I definitely
seen where there could be some changes
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:that happen and I'm really happy to
hear that you are on the right and
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:narrow, which speaking of your son, I
know that you were just remarried in the
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:last year or so, or a couple of years-
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:Joshua: And I've gotten to meet Courtney.
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:She's an awesome person.
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:I feel like she's definitely
the second half of you.
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:How has that been, especially with
Courtney, working with the business,
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overall skills, but how's that dynamic?
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:Brock: Well, I'll say that the
dynamic between us is really great,
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:right, and I think the biggest thing
of why we're so cohesive, like we
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time, but she allows me to lead.
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:She has never held me back.
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:She's always been a cheerleader of mine.
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:She's believed in me, which then has
allowed me to believe in myself, and
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:I think this would be true for most
men is that you spend your twenties
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:trying to figure out who you are, right,
and then your thirties, maybe still
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:doing some of that, but refining and
now starting to make true decisions
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and she's helped me figure that out along
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I was married previously, that my first
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:became the collateral damage of me trying
to figure out who I was supposed to be,
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marriage, when I had not a clue who I was,
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:or who I wanted to be, or what I wanted to
represent, so that's one of those demons
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:that I didn't beat, so to speak, because
my parents were divorced, and my brother's
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:been through multiple divorces, all these
types of things, but it's about learning.
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:It's about growing.
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:It's about making adjustments along
the way and figuring that type of stuff
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for her, she's still trying to figure
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and I'll say that I just support her.
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:She's done multiple career
changes through the years.
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:She was in the fitness for a while,
then she did a fashion blog, so whatever
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:she's into, I just support her, and
people figure out along the way.
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:Joshua: It's a great partnership in a
way, which actually is a great transition
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Personal Training in:
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:that this predated before even what we
were just talking about with Courtney,
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:but I think for our audience, first
off, you do something that is quite
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Noah in episode six about the values
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co-owners together with this big vision.
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you've probably listened to what Noah
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me your own personal take with working
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new clients that come through that,
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because it has seen leaps and bounds.
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you, Brock, in terms of your
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leading a team of 12 people now?
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for you in terms of your own
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:Brock: Yeah, so I'll say this it was
just me for a long time as a trainer,
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over the years, and then I met a guy
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the whole story, but him and I were the
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Training, and that's when this vision
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and to kind of go back, I was doing
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NGPT, and I just saw that there was a
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what was being offered as a product, and
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of service wasn't amazing.
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:I felt like people were
taking advantage of.
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:I felt like the pricing wasn't great for
what things were offered, all these types
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dream and vision of what we could create.
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:What could we build, right, and
partner with the right people.
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like, but then along comes Noah and
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of how things worked out, him and I
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we wanted to get rid of the stuff that
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corporate training, and from my side of
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what the national average is because
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:they deserve it, right, and I believe
that people should be able to, in
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and actually make a living at it.
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:Now, it's easier said than done, right?
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:You have to come up with the business
model to be able to do that, but our
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start that process, right, and then as far
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like I spend fifteen plus thousand dollars
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:I flew the whole team out to Colorado
to learn from a company, N-1, which is,
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our biomechanics and program design,
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:and we just want to offer a great
product, but that's the starting point.
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:That's the starting point of
what we want to offer, right?
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:We have to actually know what we're doing.
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:It's not about just taking
people through exercises.
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:We want to help them get results by
training for a specific purpose and
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:actually knowing how to do that, but
on the bigger scale of things with
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:having a team, I've read over the
past, I don't know, 15 years, I've
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:read hundreds and hundreds of books.
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:One's on leadership, personal development,
and I literally had nothing to apply
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when I had a team to be responsible for
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lead, and so I take a lot of the things
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:that at least I learned theoretically
through books, and I'm applying,
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:The biggest thing that I instilled to our
trainers is like, I want you to be a good
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:trainer, but this life is much bigger than
personal training, right, for themselves.
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:They need to pour into themselves.
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:They need to be on their
own personal growth journey.
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:They need to develop themselves into
who they're supposed to be, and then
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:they'll be able to pour into other people.
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:If your own cup is empty, how
can you pour into other people?
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:You can't.
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:Joshua: You can't.
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:Absolutely.
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:Yeah, you can't, and everything
you said is essentially what I
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:said to Noah is that it's debunking
everything that we've ever known.
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:You could go to a Planet Fitness.
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:You could go to a Power Train,
which I've used to go to.
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:You could go to all kinds of these crazy
gyms, wherever those franchises are,
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:but are you just a number, or are you an
actual person that has needs and wants,
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:You want to have that relationship,
and I know with working with you,
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:with Yo, and even dealing with all
these different people that you have
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:been able to encounter, I see that
compassion from you when it comes
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but here's my real question for you.
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:Joshua: Although you say that you want
to have those sort of things with your
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:team, and paying them above average, and
getting this world class experience for
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:your clients, do you feel that there are
challenges along the way with being able
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with the way fitness is, because a
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:lot of people don't take advantage of
fitness; me, myself included, because I
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:know that I could do a lot better with
working out and doing things, and I've
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:had plenty of people in the show that
are local to Mechanicsburg where you're
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:located at that have shared that, but I
guess my question is, in your view, how
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I mean, you certainly you're starting
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the people that we're working with.
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:We need to be able to help them
get to where they need to be."
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:What makes you different is
really my question to you.
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:Brock: Yeah, and that goes back to,
again, the science side of stuff is
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:taking care of the training, the program
design, all that nutrition, right?
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:That's the tip of the spear.
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:That's the very beginning, so this stuff
that we're working on, continuously.
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:One of the reasons that we also hired you
to come in and help coach us and I want to
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:continue that relationship down the road.
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:Joshua: Full disclosure to my listeners
is that, yes, I have worked with Next
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:Generation as a client of mine to help
them get to where they need to be, so
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:yes, there's definitely, although there is
that sales perspective, I enjoyed having
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:Brock on the show for the sheer fact that
he has an interesting story, so I just
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:want to clear up any sort of naysayers
out there that might be thinking, "Oh.
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:He paid to be on the show."
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:He did not.
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:I actually wanted him to
be part of this experience.
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:Brock: And I'll say this
for any of the listeners.
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:If you have a need for not just
public speaking stuff, but for life
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:coaching, and business coaching,
I hope that you reach out to Josh.
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:By the way, he didn't pay me to say this.
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:I'm just saying because
listen, it took one meeting.
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:Myka and I met with you,
maybe a couple months ago.
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:It took one meeting with you to say,
"This is a guy I want to partner
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:with.", like, legitimate and not just
like the short term, like long term.
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:Joshua: Thank you for that.
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:Brock: I just, I- yeah, man, and so
whoever's listening to this right
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:now, and this is going to continue
to grow, I hope you reach out sooner
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:than later, because there's going to
be a time when he won't be available
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:to do it himself, right, and we'll
have a team of people working for him.
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:Joshua: Absolutely.
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:Brock: I'm speaking it, I'm telling you.
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:Joshua: That's the goal.
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:No, that's speaking from the heart right
there, Brock, because that's really
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:been the goal all along is that I would
love to grow this out and have people
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:have the best versions of themselves,
but in any event, I'll let you continue
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:with the answer to that question I had.
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:Brock: Yeah, so we're having conversations
with our team more than anything
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:right now that it's about building
relationships with your people, which
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:is interesting because, and most of
your generic- well, they're nationally
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:accredited, but there's still generic
personal training certifications.
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:They basically tell you to
never talk about personal stuff,
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:never talk about religion,
politics, all these other things.
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:The reality is if you want a relationship
with someone and for them to stay
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:with you long term, somewhere along
the way, you might end up talking
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:I have clients that have been
with me for 15 plus years.
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:It's not that they don't know what to do.
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:Some of it's accountability still.
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:Some of it's like they like to be
pushed, but it's still about the
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:conversation piece that you have
along the way, and from what we
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:I mean, amazing attrition, as far as a
company is concerned in this industry.
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:It's way higher than the average, but
I do see that some of the trainers that
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anything they did wrong, but a lot of
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:it is because there's not a relationship
there, right, and as interesting as
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:it is, sometimes these relationships
that you build, I want to say they're
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:therapy sessions, but you just learn a
lot about people, and sometimes we're
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:the only people they actually get a
chance to talk to candidly in their
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:entire lives, legitimately, right?
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:We're seeing people two, three,
four times, four hours a week,
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:sometimes depending on how many
times they work, so that's a lot.
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:You end up having these
relationships with people.
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:Joshua: Let's be honest.
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:That's unheard of when it comes to
going into the four or five, six hour
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you're thinking, "Well, I only need to
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:work out maybe two, three times a week.
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:I only have to really worry about food,
then after that, making sure I keep it
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needs.", but you're taking the science.
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:I'm literally reading
this from your website.
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:You're taking the techniques and
you're taking the science and
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you're doing much more than that.
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:You're building what I think is the
most important thing that we're missing
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:in this world, which is having those
relationships with others, so Brock,
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:we're almost at the end of time, but
I have this final question for you to
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:really cap this conversation because
this has been incredible for me just
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mentioned, this is the eve, and this is
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:unusual for me to be doing an episode
right before the eve of my 100th episode
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:where I actually have a guest on.
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:I have met several dozens of people
on this program that less than a year
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:ago, I started this and I've just been
fascinated by the conversations of
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:different people and what they have
shared as knowledge and information.
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:I think for you, you have such a unique
background that has just kept you pushing
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:What would you say to those out there
that are just sitting on the couch,
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:they're not sure what to do to get
started, maybe they have a previous
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:record of criminal activity and they
are just shunned by society, but yet,
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:you've taken the reins and said, "No,
I'm not going to let that define me.
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:I'm going to do something
because I was given a chance."
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:What would you say to someone that
might be going through those hard
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:times, and they need that dose of
inspiration from somebody like Brock?
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:What would you say to them?
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:I would say, it would be multifaceted,
but there's a couple things that I would
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:say is that, one, you have to get started.
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:You have to stop believing-
I'm going to get emotional.
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:Joshua: Dude, let it all out.
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:Speak from the heart for with me,
because this is like the eve of something
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:big and I would love to hear what you
got to say, and so do my listeners.
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:Brock: You have to stop believing what
those inner voices are telling you about
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:yourself, and it's really, really hard,
but the only way to combat that is you
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:got to start putting good stuff in which
takes discipline, which takes effort,
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:which takes consistency, so that's the
place that you have to start, and as
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:challenging as this may also sound,
you have to change your association.
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:You'll realize that as you
continue to hang out with the
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:same people, and I get it dude.
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:They're your boys.
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:They're your friends.
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:They're your people, but if you're looking
to be different, you have to change
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:who you are mentally, emotionally, you
have to change your association, but
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:it starts with day one, and you're not
going to change everything overnight,
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:or over a week, or a month, or even a
year, but you got to start the journey,
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:right, and that's the biggest thing I
can say, and it's just continuous effort
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:Sometimes I think that's
inherent in people.
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:I really do.
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:Some of it, I think, needs to be
learned, and can be learned, right?
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:Some people have great natural ability
to do things, leadership or whatever.
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:Some people don't have
those natural abilities.
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:I did it, and again, you didn't know
me 20 years ago, right, and I'm not
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:even polished now, but I'm getting
better, but it just takes time,
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:effort, and change in association, and
believing in yourself, and listen, I'm
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:big on self talk too; all the time,
speaking to myself in the mirror.
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:Something I'll do, I'll just share
this really quick, is every night
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:before my son goes to sleep, we
have affirmations that we say.
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:He says his own: "I'm a leader.
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:I'm a champion.
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:I'm a winner.
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:I'm confident.
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:I'm bold.
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:I'm excited.
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:I'm enthusiastic.", all these things.
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:Then, I pour into him.
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:I say all the things that I see in
him, so you might not have someone
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:to say those things to yourself yet,
so you have to start saying them to
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:yourself, right, and I know it's weird,
but the subconscious mind doesn't
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:know right from wrong, different from
indifferent, so it'll start believing
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:the things that you're telling yourself.
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:That's all I have to say.
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:I think that's a great place to
start, but it does take action,
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:and that's the biggest thing.
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:Joshua: Dude.
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:I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, "Yeah.
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:You're absolutely right.", and then at
the same time, I'm saying to myself,
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:"I could have used that advice 20
years ago when I was faced in front of
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:a judge and I was being told, 'Yeah.
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:You're going to get charged with
terroristic threats, pointing a handgun at
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:some kids'", which is a whole long story
in itself, and yes, listeners, I have
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:been through that process as a kid, but
to realize that you have to give yourself
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:that pep talk of, "You are worthy of all
the good things that will ever happen in
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:your life, and that you deserve them."
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:Brock, dude, that is such a profound
thing that we miss in this world, where
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:we've had people that want to just tear
you down on Facebook, they want to rip
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:you apart with your opinions, they want
to say what they have on their minds,
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:which yeah, they're entitled to that,
but the problem with that is, there's
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:no word to describe it other than saying
that they don't have compassion, and
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:you, sir, have a lot of that, and I see
that with what you do on a day to day
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:basis, but Brock, with all that said,
I think people are inspired by hearing
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:this, so with that said, how can people
reach out to you if they're interested
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:in maybe some personal training?
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:Maybe they're local to Mechanicsburg
and they actually want to come in and
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:get some information from you about
nutrition, coaching and personal training.
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:Brock: Yeah.
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:Joshua: How can they do all that, and,
I mean, by all means, maybe they have
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:some questions for you personally, and
if you feel so bold, maybe you want to
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:share how they can reach out to you,
but in all of that, I'm going to give
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:you the last few moments to do that.
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:Brock: Yeah, so there's multiple ways.
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:One, you could reach us in person.
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:You can come to 220 North
York Street, Mechanicsburg.
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:That's where Ark Fitness is at,
and we're there all the time.
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:The trainers there know we'll be
there most of the time and to reach us
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:online, you can go to arkfitclub.com,
and go into the training section.
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:You can put an inquiry there.
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:You can find us on Instagram:
nextgeneration_PT, or you can
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:find my personal one on there too.
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:We're also on Facebook, so
we're all over the place.
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:Feel free to send me a personal message.
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:If you have a question about nutrition,
training, anything, honestly, or you can
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:put an inquiry online and we get back
to you within 48 hours, and we get a
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:lot of inquiries and we're still growing
like crazy, but we're trying to be
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:pretty prompt with our customer service.
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:Joshua: I have to tell you, you're
pretty prompt with the fact that you
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:have been through incredible amount
of things that, I think even for some
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:of my listeners, their probably mouths
are dropping open as to how you have
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:this incredible energy to keep moving
forward, but, here's the deal, Brock.
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:Not only have you survived those
tumultuous periods of your life in which
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:you've kind of been asking yourself, "Why
did I have to go through this trial in
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:the first place?", because you had an
awesome mom who drove all the way from
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:all those things to help you bail you
out when you needed it the most, but more
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:importantly, you have people in your life
that love and care about you, and I can
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:tell that because they bail you out to,
myself included, as somebody that has
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:gotten to know you, and, by all means,
gotten to know both Noah and you and
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:why you've built this incredible awesome
experience for people that I'm telling
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:you guys, if you're not going to Ark
Fitness, if you're not checking out Next
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:Generation Personal Training, you are
missing out on the next generation, the
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:next era of what fitness is all about,
because it isn't just about your mind.
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:It isn't just about the body in
which we have physically, but it's
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:about how we use all that emotional
opportunity to create the best versions
654
:of ourselves, so Brock, with all that
said, thank you for being one of my
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:last guests before I turned three
digits here on Speaking From The Heart.
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:Brock: Let's go!
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:Joshua: I am so pumped
after this conversation.
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:I am honored that you've been part
of this experience with me, so thank
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:you from the bottom of my heart.
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:Brock: Thank you so much for that.
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:Thanks for having me on brother.
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:I really appreciate it.
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:Joshua: I want to thank Brock so much
for being so open on this show and
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:being part of this team, Ark Fitness,
Next Generation Personal Training,
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:the whole group, both Noah's team,
Brock's team, and even John Neifert,
666
:who wasn't mentioned as much on this
episode, but also is a big, key player.
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:I want to thank the three of those
gentlemen for really being part of a
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:bigger expansion into the Mechanicsburg
area, and having hearts of gold, because
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:they certainly go above and beyond not
only in their service philosophy, being
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:able to help others and enjoy what life
has to offer for not only themselves,
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:but also their clients and empowering
them to be able to do just that.
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:I will encourage you if you are
interested to check out episode number
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:six in which we featured Noah, and
I hope to have John Neifert on the
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:show in the near future as well.
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:Let's talk about Brock for a moment
because, oh my goodness, there is so much
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:to unpack here, and I think one of the
first things that is really important
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:about what is truly necessary in our
life is getting out of the lifestyle
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:that we have and being involved with
something that we really want to
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:enjoy doing in our lives, but being
held back is really what's causing
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:it to not happen in the first place.
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:We have these genetic codes
that we build within ourselves.
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:They create habits, whether they are good
or bad, in our lives, and those thoughts
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:and those patterns keep on repeating in
our brains to the point that we're not
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:able to achieve what is truly necessary.
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:I have those genetics working
against me, time and time again,
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:myself, but I've learned that
I have to keep pushing forward.
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:I know that I have to be better, and go
through the hell, as Brock even mentioned,
688
:to get to that side where we need to be
able to learn and grow for who we are.
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:Are you fighting for all the right
reasons, or all the wrong reasons, because
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:everything can go wrong and especially
when you're going through some of the
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:toughest challenges in your life, you are
definitely on the receiving end of so much
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:crap, and we've talked about that stuff in
previous episodes, about the importance of
693
:not only understanding what that crap is,
but then being able to navigate through
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:it in a methodical pattern, being able
to understand that when those triggers
695
:are going to happen, that you're able
to address them carefully and clearly.
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:I know for me, working with therapists,
it's allowed me to help so much with
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:understanding the true implications
of going through those sort of issues.
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:We need to be able to understand what
those moments are in our lives that might
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:change us forever, but be prepared to be
able to make a decision that might have
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:ill intended consequences down the road,
which we even talked about with Kaneshi
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:Hart in her two part episode recently,
but can you honestly say that you
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:create opportunities to change yourself?
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:Brock's team of over 12 trainers now
has been able to do all those things
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:for his clients and continue to build
on the philosophy of being able to
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:provide integrity and respect and
excellence at every step of the way.
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:Brock is somebody that I have gotten to
know over these past few years, and as
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:we even disclosed, have been able to work
together in a long term partnership, which
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:I really have been excited to develop
his team, and himself, and become the
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:best versions of themselves in their
business venture, but being able to
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:coach and being able to pull somebody
through, regardless of what those issues
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:are, can be a challenge in itself.
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:That means we have to meet our
past version at some level, and be
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:able to say that you are no longer
allowed to be here and you no
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:longer have permission to visit me.
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:We often have talked about
in this show about getting an
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:accountability partner, but Brock's
team does so much more than that.
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:As a matter of fact, and we've
even mentioned in Episode 6, that
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:these guys are challenging the
status quo of the fitness industry.
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:Instead of inviting people in for the
New Year to all join at once so that
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:then they can meet their New Year's
resolutions, they continue to have
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:the worst deal ever, making things
charged way overpriced, because they
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:know that they're also serving the
clients that they have existing, so
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:they don't pack the gyms just because
people have this fluke idea of wanting
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:to meet their New Year's resolutions.
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:They are debunking some of the things
that, even on this show, that we try
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:to debunk ourselves, which is not just
taking advantage of clients, which they
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:certainly don't do, but also getting paid
for the things that they are providing
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:and they invest so much, not just in their
clients, but in their trainers as well.
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:Brock's team has gone through some
evolutionary changes, in which I
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:have to ask you a similar question.
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:What kinds of evolutionary
changes have you been able to do?
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:Brock talked a lot about his habits
and being willing to change not only
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:the things that he wants to do on a
day to day basis, but surround himself
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:with the positive influences that are
needed, whether those are reading good
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:books, listening to good podcasts, or
even indulging in some good conversation
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:with other people, because when you
cross the barrier between what is the
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:negative, and going into the positive,
and you're changing yourself to become
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:that best version of who you are, there
is a fundamental evolutionary shift,
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:and it's a very hard process, just as
much as leg day can be when you're going
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:to the gym, and trust me, even though
I haven't been to the gym recently,
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:which I know, I'm going to get yelled
at for this episode for mentioning that,
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:and I will then be encouraged to get
in the gym, and work out with the Next
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:Generation Personal Training Team, I
will say to you that even though leg day
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:sucks, it is sometimes worth it to go
through that endurance, to go through that
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:pain, because you're using things that
you have not used in such a long time.
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:It isn't just about the science
of what you eat, and also what you
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:do in terms of the mechanics of
your body, and understanding the
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:methodology of how to work out.
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:What if you start to figure out
that you need to work out so much
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:more than just your physical,
but also your mental aptitudes?
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:Mentally, you have to be just as prepared
to improve yourself as you do physically,
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:and Next Generation Personal Training
really does that, and that's not to say
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:that I've been paid to say that, I have
seen it in action, as a casual observer,
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:and being able to go to the gym myself.
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:These guys do something different
than no other gym does, which is
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:what I want you to do, my listeners.
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:I want you to do something a little bit
different that you haven't done before.
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:I want you to challenge the
status quo in your own lives.
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:I want you to give yourself
that pep talk so that you're no
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:longer telling yourself, "No!"
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:I would not be remiss to say that
we're on the eve of the 100th
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:episode now, which I've been teasing
you for the last few weeks about.
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:As I reflect on this episode with
this guest, along with all the guests
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:that have ever graced my presence
on Speaking from the Heart, there's
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:something that really resonates with
me about the value of having that pep
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:talk of being able to tell ourselves no.
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:If you listen back to each and
every person, including Brock today,
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:you will notice that these people
have challenged the status quo.
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:They are willing to work on themselves,
regardless of what anybody else wants
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:to say or do, and they're willing to do
things that normal people don't do, and
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:that is, usually, work on themselves.
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:That's it.
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:If you're just willing to work on
yourself just a little bit each day,
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:even if it's just 30 minutes, as
simple as a cardio exercise, or a leg,
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:core, upper body routine at the gym.
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:If you're able to spend just the 31
minutes instead, that extra 60 seconds
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:of your life, if you're willing to pour
into that, can make such a big difference
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:in the overall grand scheme of things.
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:Let's ask the question again.
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:Can you honestly say that you can create
opportunities for changing yourself?
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:I don't know about you, but I
wasn't chasing a police car.
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:I wasn't chased by somebody, but
I was chased by police when I was
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:going through the roughest part
of my life at 16 years of age.
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:You see, the most common connection
between my guest today, and also
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:myself, is that I also had the
possibility of facing jail time.
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:I didn't go to jail, but I certainly had
the biggest scare of my life because I was
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:just not happy with who I was becoming.
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:I was not happy with the growth
and support that I was receiving,
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:and I was not investing in
myself, even at 16 years of age.
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:That moment in my life in which I faced
a record that would have been for the
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:rest of my life fundamentally changed me.
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:It made me not just a better person
overall, but allowed me to fight for the
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:right reasons instead of the wrong, so I
don't know about you, but you need to get
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:out of the lifestyle that might be holding
you back from creating not just those
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:changes that you need to have, but being
able to look elsewhere when those people
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:that have been holding you back for so
long, or creating such a negative mindset
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:for what's ahead, because you are worthy
of being paid what your worth is, and
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:that isn't just about the monetary aspect.
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:No, no, no.
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:It's about the mental and physical
things that you should be paid for.
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:You should be able to feel healthy,
engaged, and excited for the ideas,
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:inspirations, and attitudes that you
are allowing yourself to accept, so stop
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:listening to those inner voices that
are telling you no, because you are not
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:being chased by the police, you are no
longer a slave to the negativity that
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:exists in your life, and when you cross
that barrier of wanting to have the best
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:version of yourself, not only are the
things worthy of your life going to come
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:alive, but you will see what will happen
to you and others as a result of your
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:amazing talents, amazing opportunities,
and the things that you employ, and hey!
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:If it doesn't all work out, at least
I have a gym buddy for leg day.
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:Thanks for listening to episode number
99, this very special episode of Speaking
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:From the Heart, and I look forward to
hearing from your heart, in the 100th
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:episode of this podcast, very soon.
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